Airtime 2.5.2 RC1 - Airtime Development Discussions on Sourcefabric Forum

Duncan Sommerville · Post edited by Duncan Sommerville at 2015-01-19 17:08:43

Hey guys,

We're happy to announce that we're posting up a release candidate for Airtime 2.5.2!

Why a release candidate?

One of the major changes in this release is a completely overhauled installation process; we're still in the process of ensuring that it works smoothly, both out-of-the-box and on top of existing Airtime installations. Many users will be familiar with some of the difficulties surrounding the existing Airtime install process - we want to make sure that we're not just repeating history with 2.5.2.

What's new in 2.5.2?

This isn't quite the official 2.5.2 release, as there are still a few things that need to be tested out in the wild, but here's a list of some of the bugfixes coming in 2.5.2 for scale: Airtime 2.5.2 bugfixes

We've also added multiple new API endpoints!

We'll be posting a full breakdown with the complete changelog once we're happy with the state of 2.5.2 and can push it out as a full release.

What's new in the installation process?

From an end-user perspective, the main differences will be the new web setup, and a more interactive installation script.

The base installer (now located in the Airtime root directory) runs interactively by default, and installs the key components of Airtime - all the necessary binaries, services, permissions, and configuration are accounted for here.

The web setup wizard, which you'll be guided through the first time you run the new installer, generates your airtime.conf file, which is now an amalgamation of several configuration files from 2.5.1.

The basics are also covered in the README and the install --help.

Is there a deb package?

Not yet. We're working towards getting out a deb package for 2.5.2, hopefully alongside the full release.

New APIs?

There will be several new API endpoints in 2.5.2, namely /live-info-v2 and /station-metadata (officially!), /show-history-feed, /item-history-feed, /show-tracks, /show-schedules, and /shows.

What Linux Distributions are currently supported?

We've tested Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) and Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), and have included basic requirements files for those releases as well as Debian Wheezy and Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander). If you are running a different Linux distribution, let us know of any packages you needed to install to get Airtime up and running, or any issues you run into during installation, and we'll make a requirements file for your release.

Known Issues

- The current vhost file is specific to Apache 2.4. If you're running Apache 2.2, you'll need to remove "Require All Granted" from the Apache vhost file
- The current Airtime status page and config-check pages are sometimes overly optimistic when reporting the statuses of Airtime processes
- Opus is not supported on Ubuntu 14.04 due to this bug - installing liquidsoap-plugin-opus will break Ogg Vorbis support

2.5.2 is stable (as far as we can tell), so feel free to get started with it now!

Let us know about any issues you run into, and we'll be able to roll out the full release that much sooner.

Thanks,

The Airtime Team

Albert FR

and about our old and always not integrated requests ?

- jingles integration
- backup playlist
- voicetrack

some news ?

hoerich

Although I agree with Albert's missing requests, I wanna say thanks for the RC-info, Duncan & team!
Will give you feedback, asap.

For the rest of this discussion or the forum overall...

... there was once a time, I enjoyed digging through this forum and interacting with other users.
Meanwhile it's just a pain being flooded by so many useless, ridicilious & off-topic comments.

Nowadays I'm more interested in a new forum-feature than having airtime-request...
And I'm gonna ask this in puclic on purpose:
Is there a chance to hide comments of several users?

I don't get any of VOISSES TECH's comments!
No matter what you try to say VOISSES, you fail!

Please, dear sofab-team, give us the ability to hide this crap without a meaning!

I was about to ask for this internally, but I it's no mystery that I'm tired of VOISSES' bullshit postings and meanwhile I don't care about any netiquette.

cheers

Albert FR

"@Albert FR
- The things you've listed and others are definitely on our radar, but
not implemented in this release. Our current focus is to fix existing
functionality that we know to be broken before moving on to new feature
development. Once we're happy with the state of the existing featureset,
we'll lay things out and see what features deserve to be at the top of
the backlog."

Hello Duncan,
it's been over a year that these options are requested by the community ...
this is also more than a year there has been no update Airtime.
I must admit I am a bit surprised !
We basically still the same Airtime and apparently nothing was done around from this period ...

Albert FR

Hi Alvaro G. an John Chewter
I know, we can do that approximatively with liquidsoap hacks (and I do that on my installations)
but a real integration will be great for all of us !

Voisses Tech

Is this available in the repositories?

I reinstalled a machine Sunday January 18th,2014 at 14:30 Est and it was 2.5.1.6

VOISSES

Albert Santoni · Post edited by Albert Santoni at 2015-01-19 17:10:47

No, we don't have a DEB package for this yet.
The source code for RC is from our 2.5.x-installer branch. This will be merged to 2.5.x within the next week or two hopefully.

Ярослав Гребнев

Did silan issue fixed at ubuntu 14.04, as reported here https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/16893/help-airtime-cut-the-end-of-the-song-/p1 ?

Albert Santoni

Ярослав Гребнев said:
Did silan issue fixed at ubuntu 14.04, as reported here https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/16893/help-airtime-cut-the-end-of-the-song-/p1 ?

Probably not, as media-monitor has been almost untouched for a year. That said, we've recently found a similar bug affecting our use of silan in Ubuntu 14.04 and if we fix that in airtime_analyzer, we'll backport that fix to media-monitor.

Steven C Mathewson · Post edited by Steven C Mathewson at 2015-01-24 01:48:08

What is the new "sudo airtime-check-system" command ? cause that doesn't work anymore?

Albert Santoni

Hi Steven,

airtime-check-system has been removed and that information is now displayed inside Airtime, under System->Status.

Thanks,

Albert

Albert FR

I'm agree with you on this point Voisses ;-)

Albert Santoni

Hi guys,

If you want to check on the status of Airtime services from the command-line, Upstart already provides this functionality:

sudo service airtime-playout status
sudo service airtime-liquidsoap status
sudo service airtime-media-monitor status

Having a wrapper around these commands was not that useful, and was generally confusing because it didn't give you any troubleshooting suggestions. The functionality of airtime-check-system is also integrated into the last step of the web application installer wizard, which is a much better place for that to live. (Whether or not the services are running correctly is something you want to find out during the installation process. That said, you're still free to check System->Status inside Airtime if you're tinkering with your Airtime setup manually after installation. If you break Airtime yourself, airtime-check-status wasn't going to help you fix it anyways.)

Thanks,

Albert

Duncan Sommerville · Post edited by Duncan Sommerville at 2015-01-26 22:24:10

It's true that the check utilities provided handy command line all-in-ones to view service statuses, but at the end of the day, that's all they were. System status checks backed by hundreds of lines of unnecessary code.

We figured that issues that didn't cause Airtime to crash could be made simpler to troubleshoot by providing an accessible and more obvious interface from within the client, and issues that took the client down entirely would, as always, be best remedied by searching through the Airtime and Apache logs.

For those who want to tinker with Airtime, familiarity with those log files will be a necessity, and the check utilities weren't providing any information you couldn't already deduce from a one-line command.

The aim of the new status check is to provide an overview of the statuses of Airtime's essential components, and list potential fixes. It's not perfect, but before casting aspersions please try out the 2.5.2 RC in order to objectively weigh the pros and cons, as we've done.

@Albert FR - The things you've listed and others are definitely on our radar, but not implemented in this release. Our current focus is to fix existing functionality that we know to be broken before moving on to new feature development. Once we're happy with the state of the existing featureset, we'll lay things out and see what features deserve to be at the top of the backlog.

Cheers,
Duncan

Voisses Tech

@Duncan_Sommerville

"I am annoying ! isn't that true?".I rule with my head not my heart.I am logical not loved.

You did make the same mistake I just said.

Plainly some time you do not have access to any client and who have the time to parse through a bunch of logs. Buff you need something right off the bat.

Please note there has always been a status page.(is this a mod)

Proof of concept

https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/comment/31090#Comment_31090

look at the ways I instruct the person how to even place a browser on an headless server

OK so that was luck. Type in the search field 404 and look.
Every Time a distro or Application like apache change you will be chasing your tail.
https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/16803/attention-airtime-upgrade-is-broken-not-exactly-/p1

Airtime (sourcefabric) team has a bad habit to even implement changes and as soon as you apt-get upgrades,your whole system shut down.
https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/16091/fallover-101-how-to-make-all-scripts-worked-revisted-pt2-advance-reduce-effects-of-upgrade-brok

Sometimes it ache me why people try to prove me wrong.I leave it to time

please try out the 2.5.2 RC in order to objectively weigh the pros and cons, as we've done.
Why?
I am a coward tell me fire will burn and never expect me to go test it
I will not taste if you say its poison and I have confident in you,The PR on these changes is week (oops weak)

I hate to learn from my mistakes,I fixed them,I like to learn from others mistakes.

So what the Heck

I will sit here on my stool ,get my keg ready and you can watch the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080179/ to see

Cause I will be enjoying implementation

I end here sic
They Are coming,i can Hear them
VOISSES

Patrick Edouard

Hello,

I don't understand all yours messages....

So I would like a only one answer: is it possible to make a update with the regular

"apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" on the serveur ?

Thank you

best regard

Patrick

Albert FR

lol Patrick
please read and not comment for nothing...

Le contexte de ces discutions n'est pas du tout celui là, mais les problèmatiques d'évolutions de ce logiciel

Albert Santoni

Patrick Edouard said:
Hello,

I don't understand all yours messages....

So I would like a only one answer: is it possible to make a update with the regular

"apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" on the serveur ?

Thank you

best regard
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

The answer is "not yet", but soon (hopefully before the official 2.5.2 release). We are working on this...

Thanks,

Albert

Albert FR

For information :
liquidsoap is not present for ubuntu trusty installations (into the repository)

Voisses Tech · Post edited by Voisses Tech at 2015-01-30 10:54:07

@AlbertFr;
It was there .Yes indeed. I have a "conspiracy theory"

Somebody had a brilliant idea to removed the custom built and compile version of liquidsoap and use the standard repo version. ( remember those 404 errror and liquidsoap disconnect)

It started to shatter every thing,break here and there cause there have not a redone of the notification scripts.

I know the thoughts of many now "Lets get rid of Liquidsoap from Airtime"

Please read what i say about Leadership and Management

Our Geese or "ulterior posterior " is cooked

Use What You have!

=)) =)) =))

VOISSES

ps.Ulterior is synonymous of "Bare"
Posterior is to "Rare"

Alvaro G.

Albert FR said:
and about our old and always not integrated requests ?

- jingles integration
- backup playlist
- voicetrack

some news ?

Oh my, Jingles and time signals. I'd LOVE that. Meanwhile I have to resort to a liquidsoap hack... :P :D

John Chewter

I just had an idea for that.... Thanks Alvaro!

Albert FR

Any News from 2.5.2 ?

Daniel James

Hi Albert, we have a bunch of new fixes in the 2.5.x-installer branch, I have uploaded a test package to http://apt.sourcefabric.org/misc/airtime_2.5.2/ (that is not ready for production use). More fixes are required to integrate the new installer, which is a big improvement, with debconf.

Cheers!

Daniel

Albert FR

Cool,

I've tried it
One thing to add into debconf (to overwrite or not)
ls_script.liq (some of us have made change to this file... cause of missing features of airtime)

Albert FR

And always a problem with liquidsoap (who is not on the sourcefabric repository for ubuntu 14.04) on ubuntu 14.04... with the 2.5.2 from today

Nolan Wagner

Albert FR said:
Cool,

I've tried it
One thing to add into debconf (to overwrite or not)
ls_script.liq (some of us have made change to this file... cause of missing features of airtime)

Good idea. It should ask if you want to use the current configuration or use the one shipped with the installer.

Daniel James

Albert FR said:
One thing to add into debconf (to overwrite or not) ls_script.liq (some of us have made change to this file... cause of missing features of airtime)

Nolan Wagner said:
It should ask if you want to use the current configuration or use the one shipped with the installer.

We can do this with the file debian/conffiles, which marks files so that users are prompted on upgrade. I'll give it a try in the next package:

https://github.com/Airtime/airtime-packaging/commit/f3bf7c736e826b3d7216adb81c81da290da74385

Please note that in 2.5.2 the installation paths have changed, so what was:

python_apps/pypo/liquidsoap_scripts/ls_script.liq

is now:

python_apps/pypo/liquidsoap/ls_script.liq

I would recommend that you make a full backup of any custom changes before migrating from 2.5.1. You will also need to update your custom script for changes that are introduced by Airtime, to avoid diverging too far. See the history of this file in the 2.5.x-installer branch here:

https://github.com/sourcefabric/Airtime/commits/2.5.x-installer/python_apps/pypo/liquidsoap/ls_script.liq

Cheers!

Daniel

Albert FR

and about liquidsoap-sfo for 14.04 ?

Daniel James

Albert FR said:
and about liquidsoap-sfo for 14.04 ?

Hi Albert, I have this filed as https://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/CC-5960 so it will not be forgotten.

Cheers!

Daniel

Steven Mathewson

I installed Airtime 2.5.2 RC1 and am trying to restore a database from 2.5.1.

This is a clean install that mimics the older installation (songs in the same directories)

sudo ./install -foip

then go to ip address and finish installation.

clear blank default database

sudo -u postgres dropdb airtime

then restore backedup database

sudo -u postgres psql -f databasename

then I log in and the stream plays out to a shoutcast server ok,

but the top section of airtime doesn't show the clock or what's playing

It
would seem like some kind of database issue and it seems related to the
installation process / and restoring the database from 2.5.1

Can anyone suggest a solution?

I
have tried to restore the backed up database without dropping the
default database and this keeps the top bar info but none of the songs
will load in only the shows.

steven

(posted this elsewhere, but got no response, so reposted this here)

John Chewter

Some fields have been added to 2.5.2 so nobody is surprised I guess.

Albert FR

2.5.2 available soon ?
no more errors on Jira...

Voisses Tech · Post edited by Voisses Tech at 2015-01-26 11:20:37

Albert Santoni said:
Hi Steven,

airtime-check-system has been removed and that information is now displayed inside Airtime, under System->Status.

Thanks,
Albert

WHAT !!!!
show me,show me Him
The One Guilty of such Decision
Ok calm down,Take a breath, breath slowly fis....so...bar?

Now My friendly people Linux is a command line troubleshooting concept.

I said That before 9:04 and they never listened,they came with the bright Software center crap.
Let me say it here again

Administrator and technican needs to look at the source.Its like your car dash board engine lights on to tell you something is wrong but now there is this little computer spitting out codes to indicate what's wrong

What about when you have no access to the Airtime Interface?

What about when you install on a server?

Wow who is up there making these error?

This is like the Intel RC410 board errors where you have to install a keyboard before it Post.
The brilliant person did not think about embedded device which needs to boot by themselves
Ok Let me a call to Donald Trump

Me speaking " Hello Mr Trump Please.......................................................?"

Mr Trump on the line

Me Speaking " Mr. Trump, sorry to bother you but did your secretary update you on what they are doing over Airtime Sourcefabric?"

Mr. Trump instructions "You are fired"

People come on settle down you all going "Whack -A-Mole Ly"

VOISSES

Voisses Tech · Post edited by Voisses Tech at 2015-01-26 21:46:18

@Albert_Santoni
I hope you will take this as an opinion.That is all this post is meant to be.No one should read words or imply info what I have not said.

I am 100% confused.I stared at the screen and shook my head.I had to read it over and over and as myself

"Just do as the Boss(ie.The Team who made that decision) said accept the change and move along"

No I am not that person,I have a whole lot of characteristic and personalities and one is "Opinionated"

All you said is based on the wrong premises so lets start.

If you break Airtime yourself, - I want to break it,I want a tool not a toy.I want to customized it my way,This is the purpose of open source.This is the reason computer is exploding.Tell me what Google makes that you cannot break yourself.well just a few core things.They even pay you to break anything they build..I do not want a ready-made solution and blah...blah...blah.
airtime-check-status wasn't going to help you fix it anyways. - Do not expect it to,I am going to fixed it based on the info Here are the key features url- used to established the virtual hosting and port status,the os - when I see debian I provided limited suggestions and leave it to people like @Roger_Wilco and @John_Chewter to give insights,you can search many post like this https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/16893/help-airtime-cut-the-end-of-the-song-/p1 ,I could recommend the LTS and @Roger_Wilco et-al could say its a silan issue.It also tells if the person is running on a virtual machine.Some where in this Thread I even found out that the person was using less than the recommend machine and the individual concede,he was just testing on a very old spare machine and there are other info important to me the technician to determine.
The functionality of airtime-check-system is also integrated into the last step of the web application installer wizard, which is a much better place for that to live. That's like the Yes-Yes-OK button,not even me look at that,I just want to see the Okay at the End.That is why I install all my machine as localhost,to get that smiling -- Your installation of Airtime looks OK!,Then I break it changing the host,ports,the directory etc.Are We to expect that Moving forward Airtime will include all the possibilities?
Having a wrapper around these commands was not that useful, and was generally confusing because it didn't give you any troubleshooting suggestions - baloney,I address that above.My car diagnostic doesn't tell you what to fixed and if there is an error the last line recommend a FAQ wiki but this wiki has either being watered down or disappear.Have you ever get a Windoze technical call.and the customer said "well the troubleshoot say so and so,I did it all and it did not work?' or the gibberish on a bluescreen.I am wondering if Airtime will be giving "Blue Screen" soon!
Whether or not the services are running correctly is something you want to find out during the installation process. - No but its useful when the interface is not coming up

So finally,Listen to us Please.Listen to the Forum,the moderators and the various users, who come here for suggestion and be explicit in your answers
Look at these two senarios

SCENARIO 1
Question :-</b> What is the new "sudo airtime-check-system" command ? cause that doesn't work anymore?

Answer :-</b> airtime-check-system has been removed and that information is now displayed inside Airtime, under System->Status.

SCENARIO 2

Question :- What is the new "sudo airtime-check-system" command ? cause that doesn't work anymore?

Answer :- airtime-check-system has been removed as there are duplicate functions which does the same thing and that information is now also displayed inside Airtime, under System->Status.
other functions like sudo service airtime-playout status,sudo service airtime-liquidsoap status........

I was once asked "What is difference between Management and Leadership?" to which I replied

"Management is when you are given something or a task you demolish it and make a new one that suits you therefore it only last for a time.Leadership is where you take something or a task and make it into a beauty which last a lifetime?
Management is a dream,Leadership is a vision.?"

Please

VOISSES

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