On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 15:53 +0200, Daniel James wrote:

> > This is one target for the future Plastelina application.
>
> Is there a roadmap for Plastelina anywhere? It's the first I heard
> about it.


the name is a working title :) and i can't find it either right now, i
thought it would be in the wiki or jira.

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On Thursday, August 05, 2010 15:53:37 you wrote:
> > I don't know if further work should be done
> > in this direction as it duplicates functionality
>
> How do you mean, duplicate? Campcaster doesn't have a web interface for
> listeners at present, as far as I can see.

What Mugur meant to say was that there is a lot of it you can do with Campsite
templates already, without building anything special new features. It's a bit
tweaky, but it is doable in theory. I even wrote a wiki several years ago
about it, but it seems to have been lost in the migration (grrrrrrrrrrrr). I
will dig it out.

The only thing I can find for now is the diagram of how a Campcaster/Campsite
integration would look (please see here:
http://wiki.sourcefabric.org/download/attachments/1048620/CR P_mapa.png)

All the best,

Sava

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Hi Sava,

> It is in the wiki, as dfaft business requirements.

I couldn't find Plastelina there, but I did find:

http://wiki.sourcefabric.org/display/CS/Integrated+Multimedi a+Archive

> Plastelina is the code name for a new-generation newsroom and
> multi-platform
> publishing system. How's that for a mouthful? :)

Sounds good :-) I wonder how much of this could be got to the proof of
concept stage using the current codebase, with a tweak here and there.

Then if customers saw the demo and wanted to go down the fully
integrated BBC iPlayer-style route, the new generation development
wouldn't be so speculative.

Previously, I was working on a Campcaster demo distro, but now I can see
it would make more sense to have both Campcaster and Campsite on one
disc, with basic integration pre-seeded.

Cheers!

Daniel

HI Daniel,

> I couldn't find Plastelina there,

It's not public yet (it's an oversight you don't have it). I still have to
make it presentble enough.

> but I did find:
>
> http://wiki.sourcefabric.org/display/CS/Integrated+Multimedi a+Archive

Yes, that was the plan for the upgrade of the storage server in Campsite,
which we stopped implementing because a potential large code contributor
showed up, so we wanted to make it way more flexible and enterprise level.
Unfortunately the code contributor never delivered the code, so we're back to
doing it ourselves.

> I wonder how much of this could be got to the proof of
> concept stage using the current codebase, with a tweak here and there.

I'd be curious to pursue that route too. For example:

> > With HTML5 supporting Ogg natively in Firefox and Chrome, it should be
> > possible to embed audio files from the Campcaster storage server and
> > live Icecast streams directly into pages served by Campsite, without
> > requiring any separate media player to be installed by the user.
> >
> > I think that's potentially a killer feature for radio station websites,
> > or any news organisation that streams audio, because audio would only
> > have to be encoded once for all three formats - radio, streaming and
> > website. Storage space saved, and no transcoding problems.

I believe once you attach a clip from the Campcaster storage server to a
Campsite article, it should be a trivial matter to do so in a template. I'd
like Mugur and Holman to confirm that. If I am right, then we should definitely
make a sample template to show that off.

> > Beyond that, how about putting Ogg Theora video files into Campcaster
> > storage? The audio codec is Vorbis, so that part should play out to the
> > radio as normal, but the video+audio could be streamed via Icecast, or
> > offered for on demand streaming via Campsite pages.

AFAIK, extending the current storage server to allow for video should be
fairly straightforward (and as for Campsite, see above). The only issue is how
many man days "fairly straightforward" entails.

> Previously, I was working on a Campcaster demo distro, but now I can see
> it would make more sense to have both Campcaster and Campsite on one
> disc, with basic integration pre-seeded.

Sounds great. For starters, we should think about ways of simplifying the
originally described setup.

All the best,

Sava