[campsite-dev] helper-tooltip
  • hi,
    i made a small but smart javascript for tooltips on click. please
    have look on:
    http://helper.lowsource.org/
    and recognize the fadeout while closing Wink
    this works on firefox/explorer/safari. without transparency on opera.
    perhaps we can intergrate this in the campsite admin interface.

    best flo

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  • At 15:32 08.06.2005, you wrote:
    >hi,
    >i made a small but smart javascript for tooltips on click. please
    >have look on:
    >http://helper.lowsource.org/
    >and recognize the fadeout while closing Wink
    >this works on firefox/explorer/safari. without transparency on opera.
    >perhaps we can intergrate this in the campsite admin interface.

    Smile paul, mugur, would that please the demands of the help tool you have in
    mind?


    Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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  • Hi Florian

    That's quite nice! The fadeout is very sexy. Oompa!

    One little suggestion about the position of these help popups, it would
    be nice if they were easier to close. For example, perhaps the 'X'
    should come up on top of the '?' so that if you don't move your mouse,
    you can just click again where you were to close the popup.

    One other issue is access to these help tips for non-JS and
    accessbility-limited users. That is probably able to be overcome by
    using the href="#" to link to an actual page; JS users wouldn't see that
    page because the "onclick" event would take preference.

    One more suggestion (I'm on a roll now). An (optional) 'more
    information' link at the bottom of the popup would be useful sometimes -
    which would open a larger popup window, perhaps? Sometimes I find that I
    need to write a couple of paragraphs for some of the more complex input
    fields, search boxes, etc.

    What framework are you using to generate this form, by the way?

    Good stuff

    JP


    florian clauss wrote:

    > hi,
    > i made a small but smart javascript for tooltips on click. please have
    > look on:
    > http://helper.lowsource.org/
    > and recognize the fadeout while closing Wink
    > this works on firefox/explorer/safari. without transparency on opera.
    > perhaps we can intergrate this in the campsite admin interface.
    >
    > best flo
    >

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  • hi john

    > That's quite nice! The fadeout is very sexy. Oompa!
    thanks Smile

    > One little suggestion about the position of these help popups, it
    > would
    > be nice if they were easier to close. For example, perhaps the 'X'
    > should come up on top of the '?' so that if you don't move your mouse,
    > you can just click again where you were to close the popup.
    the styles and buttons are not fixed. we can even make the tooltip
    dragable Wink

    > One other issue is access to these help tips for non-JS and
    > accessbility-limited users. That is probably able to be overcome by
    > using the href="#" to link to an actual page; JS users wouldn't see
    > that
    > page because the "onclick" event would take preference
    i agree. for the non-javascript users there should be a popup or
    better: a title-tag with the information. there could be a noscript-
    tag with the ?, which includes an alt- and a title-tag with the
    information. you can influence the style of the system-tooltip using
    stylesheets.

    > One more suggestion (I'm on a roll now). An (optional) 'more
    > information' link at the bottom of the popup would be useful
    > sometimes -
    > which would open a larger popup window, perhaps? Sometimes I find
    > that I
    > need to write a couple of paragraphs for some of the more complex
    > input
    > fields, search boxes, etc.
    perhaps, we can use a scrollable layer for longer textinformation.

    > What framework are you using to generate this form, by the way?
    this is a homemade-framework. this is the intranet on my work. a php-
    layer interprets a mysqldatabase and renders formfields depending on
    properties of the databasefields (e.g. tinyint 2 is a radiobutton
    with yes/no-option). very simple, very useful.

    best flo

    >> hi,
    >> i made a small but smart javascript for tooltips on click. please
    >> have
    >> look on:
    >> http://helper.lowsource.org/
    >> and recognize the fadeout while closing Wink
    >> this works on firefox/explorer/safari. without transparency on opera.
    >> perhaps we can intergrate this in the campsite admin interface.
    >>
    >> best flo
    >>
    >
    >

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  • florian clauss wrote:

    >> One little suggestion about the position of these help popups, it would
    >> be nice if they were easier to close. For example, perhaps the 'X'
    >> should come up on top of the '?' so that if you don't move your mouse,
    >> you can just click again where you were to close the popup.
    >
    > the styles and buttons are not fixed. we can even make the tooltip
    > dragable Wink

    Some tooltip implementations that are quite nice are of the
    'onmouseover' type, and quite nice. I've been trying to find an example
    but can't dig it up just now.

    > i agree. for the non-javascript users there should be a popup or
    > better: a title-tag with the information. there could be a noscript-
    > tag with the ?, which includes an alt- and a title-tag with the
    > information. you can influence the style of the system-tooltip using
    > stylesheets.

    Just to clarify, I was thinking something like this:
    [what's this]

    "
  • hi john,

    >> i agree. for the non-javascript users there should be a popup or
    >> better: a title-tag with the information. there could be a noscript-
    >> tag with the ?, which includes an alt- and a title-tag with the
    >> information. you can influence the style of the system-tooltip using
    >> stylesheets.
    >
    > Just to clarify, I was thinking something like this:
    > [what's this]
    >
    > "
  • I would be careful about onmouseover events, because tool tips in this case
    may popup too often and unwanted and may bother instead of help.

    Ondra

    -----Original Message-----
    From: florian clauss [mailto:flo@etraum.de]
    Sent: 9.
  • You could also allow the user to set the pop-up preferences:
    - on mouse over
    - on mouse click

    I imagine this scenario: by default the popup is on mouse over; a new user will
    see all these hints which will display help text and a link: disable hints.
    When clicking on the disable link the preference will be set to "onmouseclick".
    The user should be able to enable the "onmouseover" popups.

    Also, you could close the popups when the mouse moves outside the popup window.

    Mugur

    --- Ondra Koutek wrote:
    > I would be careful about onmouseover events, because tool tips in this case
    > may popup too often and unwanted and may bother instead of help.
    >
    > Ondra
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: florian clauss [mailto:flo@etraum.de]
    > Sent: 9.
  • Yes, what I missed is closing popup when the cursor moves outside the
    tooltip. For me, it's natural behavior.

    Nenad


    On Friday 10 of June 2005 12:52, Mugur Rus wrote:
    > You could also allow the user to set the pop-up preferences:
    > - on mouse over
    > - on mouse click
    >
    > I imagine this scenario: by default the popup is on mouse over; a new
    > user will see all these hints which will display help text and a
    > link: disable hints. When clicking on the disable link the preference
    > will be set to "onmouseclick". The user should be able to enable the
    > "onmouseover" popups.
    >
    > Also, you could close the popups when the mouse moves outside the
    > popup window.
    >
    > Mugur
    >
    > --- Ondra Koutek wrote:
    > > I would be careful about onmouseover events, because tool tips in
    > > this case may popup too often and unwanted and may bother instead
    > > of help.
    > >
    > > Ondra
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: florian clauss [mailto:flo@etraum.de]
    > > Sent: 9.