[livesupport-dev] Release is close? - Airtime Development Discussions on Sourcefabric Forum

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Looks like you guys are getting close... I am really excited to see
this project in action. As I may have mentioned, I am trying to start a
radio station at IUPUI (Indiana University and Purdue University in
Indianapolis), and the administration is starting to take us seriously
and will soon allocate funds for the station. My engineers want to
purchase BSI-Simian as our automation software, but as a linux advocate
I'm really leaning towards an opensource alternative, mostly because
opensource gives us a lot of flexibility that we wouldn't otherwise
have with a commercial software package. The list price for Simian is
$1500, which I would rather invest in software that will mature with
our station... is there any way to make a donation to livesupport or
campware.org?

Also, I would like to get involved with this project and see that our
radio station get involved with this project. I've been tooling around
with webcasting a while now and have found that the icecast muse
darkice ices combo is excellent. Our radio station is planning on
starting out as a live webcast, and then slowly moving to AM/FM, and
since I've found that icecast is far superior to shoutcast and
realplayer, I really want to keep as much software as possible
opensource. I've also been trying to figure out how to create our
digital record library with FLAC files, and maintain either a database
of all the names (name, artist, date, label, etc...) of the files, or
figure out a way to assign a naming system (like idv3) to FLAC files.
Umm... also, if anybody has any experience with alsa, jack, and ardour
for audio production, I could really use somebody to bounce questions
off of. I really want to keep things linux based, but I don't know how
long I can keep the engineers at bay before they start spending money
on private software. Thoughts... ideas?

Ben Racher
General Manager - JagRadio (http://jagradio.iupui.edu)
bracher@iupui.edu
aim - pugfick

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Ben,

I'm in the same arena as you. I'm a grad student at SCSU
(radio.southernct.edu) we're a college station, that unlike our sister
universities never had enough support to garner a real frequency
(probably at least $500k in our market to purchase, nothing is open).
So, we're limited to a low power AM broadcast... and campus TV, and
for only a few years the webcast... (I actually was in the initial
talks to request a webcast, and it has been linux/lame based from the
start)

With regard to icecast2 and streaming, I can say that I would
recommend that you have a two machine setup to begin with... an
encoder/server and a relay... The encoder/server runs lame and
encodes, and sends to localhost... then the relay is the machine that
takes all of the traffic from the internet. What this does is make
the whole streaming setup more network-fault tolerant.

I recently investigated icecast 2.2 and oddcast in the interest of AAC
support, and while AAC seemed slightly nicer for 96Kbps rates, it
wasn't worth it. We can produce a 32/64/96/128/VBR mp3 stream on our
dual 2.4ghz machine (multipurpose machine) with less than 0.4 load, to
reproduce the same with oddcast and add 64/96 kbps AAC streams brings
drives the load to 1.4... oddcast AAC support is not very
configurable, it requied jack, and all around I decided against
switching from lame and straight mp3. Once oddcast/FAAC is tunable,
and supports HE-AAC/parametric stereo I will be much more willing to
switch.

Oh, and for you source audio, though it should be without question
make sure that you run a master compressor after your board and have a
distribution amplifer so you can adjust each "air" signal you produce.
I also have to say switching from a Soundblaster Live to a M-Audio
Audiophile 2496 appears to also make a difference in the quality of
audio.

Sorry I rambled, let me know if you have questions.

-Thomas Dorr

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:34:05 -0500, Ben Racher wrote:
> Looks like you guys are getting close... I am really excited to see
> this project in action. As I may have mentioned, I am trying to start a
> radio station at IUPUI (Indiana University and Purdue University in
> Indianapolis), and the administration is starting to take us seriously
> and will soon allocate funds for the station. My engineers want to
> purchase BSI-Simian as our automation software, but as a linux advocate
> I'm really leaning towards an opensource alternative, mostly because
> opensource gives us a lot of flexibility that we wouldn't otherwise
> have with a commercial software package. The list price for Simian is
> $1500, which I would rather invest in software that will mature with
> our station... is there any way to make a donation to livesupport or
> campware.org?
>
> Also, I would like to get involved with this project and see that our
> radio station get involved with this project. I've been tooling around
> with webcasting a while now and have found that the icecast muse
> darkice ices combo is excellent. Our radio station is planning on
> starting out as a live webcast, and then slowly moving to AM/FM, and
> since I've found that icecast is far superior to shoutcast and
> realplayer, I really want to keep as much software as possible
> opensource. I've also been trying to figure out how to create our
> digital record library with FLAC files, and maintain either a database
> of all the names (name, artist, date, label, etc...) of the files, or
> figure out a way to assign a naming system (like idv3) to FLAC files.
> Umm... also, if anybody has any experience with alsa, jack, and ardour
> for audio production, I could really use somebody to bounce questions
> off of. I really want to keep things linux based, but I don't know how
> long I can keep the engineers at bay before they start spending money
> on private software. Thoughts... ideas?
>
> Ben Racher
> General Manager - JagRadio (http://jagradio.iupui.edu)
> bracher@iupui.edu
> aim - pugfick
>
>

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I think Akos will tell you which streamer is his favorite... Smile

http://darkice.sourceforge.net/

doug

Thomas Dorr
02/19/2005 03:43 AM
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To: livesupport-dev@campware.org
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Subject: Re: [livesupport-dev] Release is close?

Ben,

I'm in the same arena as you. I'm a grad student at SCSU
(radio.southernct.edu) we're a college station, that unlike our sister
universities never had enough support to garner a real frequency
(probably at least $500k in our market to purchase, nothing is open).
So, we're limited to a low power AM broadcast... and campus TV, and
for only a few years the webcast... (I actually was in the initial
talks to request a webcast, and it has been linux/lame based from the
start)

With regard to icecast2 and streaming, I can say that I would
recommend that you have a two machine setup to begin with... an
encoder/server and a relay... The encoder/server runs lame and
encodes, and sends to localhost... then the relay is the machine that
takes all of the traffic from the internet. What this does is make
the whole streaming setup more network-fault tolerant.

I recently investigated icecast 2.2 and oddcast in the interest of AAC
support, and while AAC seemed slightly nicer for 96Kbps rates, it
wasn't worth it. We can produce a 32/64/96/128/VBR mp3 stream on our
dual 2.4ghz machine (multipurpose machine) with less than 0.4 load, to
reproduce the same with oddcast and add 64/96 kbps AAC streams brings
drives the load to 1.4... oddcast AAC support is not very
configurable, it requied jack, and all around I decided against
switching from lame and straight mp3. Once oddcast/FAAC is tunable,
and supports HE-AAC/parametric stereo I will be much more willing to
switch.

Oh, and for you source audio, though it should be without question
make sure that you run a master compressor after your board and have a
distribution amplifer so you can adjust each "air" signal you produce.
I also have to say switching from a Soundblaster Live to a M-Audio
Audiophile 2496 appears to also make a difference in the quality of
audio.

Sorry I rambled, let me know if you have questions.

-Thomas Dorr

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:34:05 -0500, Ben Racher wrote:
> Looks like you guys are getting close... I am really excited to see
> this project in action. As I may have mentioned, I am trying to start a
> radio station at IUPUI (Indiana University and Purdue University in
> Indianapolis), and the administration is starting to take us seriously
> and will soon allocate funds for the station. My engineers want to
> purchase BSI-Simian as our automation software, but as a linux advocate
> I'm really leaning towards an opensource alternative, mostly because
> opensource gives us a lot of flexibility that we wouldn't otherwise
> have with a commercial software package. The list price for Simian is
> $1500, which I would rather invest in software that will mature with
> our station... is there any way to make a donation to livesupport or
> campware.org?
>
> Also, I would like to get involved with this project and see that our
> radio station get involved with this project. I've been tooling around
> with webcasting a while now and have found that the icecast muse
> darkice ices combo is excellent. Our radio station is planning on
> starting out as a live webcast, and then slowly moving to AM/FM, and
> since I've found that icecast is far superior to shoutcast and
> realplayer, I really want to keep as much software as possible
> opensource. I've also been trying to figure out how to create our
> digital record library with FLAC files, and maintain either a database
> of all the names (name, artist, date, label, etc...) of the files, or
> figure out a way to assign a naming system (like idv3) to FLAC files.
> Umm... also, if anybody has any experience with alsa, jack, and ardour
> for audio production, I could really use somebody to bounce questions
> off of. I really want to keep things linux based, but I don't know how
> long I can keep the engineers at bay before they start spending money
> on private software. Thoughts... ideas?
>
> Ben Racher
> General Manager - JagRadio (http://jagradio.iupui.edu)
> bracher@iupui.edu
> aim - pugfick
>
>

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I think Akos will tell you which streamer is his favorite... Smile

http://darkice.sourceforge.net/

doug

Thomas Dorr <thomas.dorr@gmail.com>

02/19/2005 03:43 AM

Please respond to livesupport-dev

To: livesupport-dev@campware.org

cc:

Subject: Re: [livesupport-dev] Release is close?

Ben,

I'm in the same arena as you. I'm a grad student at SCSU

(radio.southernct.edu) we're a college station, that unlike our sister

universities never had enough support to garner a real frequency

(probably at least $500k in our market to purchase, nothing is open).

So, we're limited to a low power AM broadcast... and campus TV, and

for only a few years the webcast... (I actually was in the initial

talks to request a webcast, and it has been linux/lame based from the

start)

With regard to icecast2 and streaming, I can say that I would

recommend that you have a two machine setup to begin with... an

encoder/server and a relay... The encoder/server runs lame and

encodes, and sends to localhost... then the relay is the machine that

takes all of the traffic from the internet. What this does is make

the whole streaming setup more network-fault tolerant.

I recently investigated icecast 2.2 and oddcast in the interest of AAC

support, and while AAC seemed slightly nicer for 96Kbps rates, it

wasn't worth it. We can produce a 32/64/96/128/VBR mp3 stream on our

dual 2.4ghz machine (multipurpose machine) with less than 0.4 load, to

reproduce the same with oddcast and add 64/96 kbps AAC streams brings

drives the load to 1.4... oddcast AAC support is not very

configurable, it requied jack, and all around I decided against

switching from lame and straight mp3. Once oddcast/FAAC is tunable,

and supports HE-AAC/parametric stereo I will be much more willing to

switch.

Oh, and for you source audio, though it should be without question

make sure that you run a master compressor after your board and have a

distribution amplifer so you can adjust each "air" signal you produce.

I also have to say switching from a Soundblaster Live to a M-Audio

Audiophile 2496 appears to also make a difference in the quality of

audio.

Sorry I rambled, let me know if you have questions.

-Thomas Dorr

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:34:05 -0500, Ben Racher <bracher@iupui.edu> wrote:

> Looks like you guys are getting close... I am really excited to see

> this project in action. As I may have mentioned, I am trying to start a

> radio station at IUPUI (Indiana University and Purdue University in

> Indianapolis), and the administration is starting to take us seriously

> and will soon allocate funds for the station. My engineers want to

> purchase BSI-Simian as our automation software, but as a linux advocate

> I'm really leaning towards an opensource alternative, mostly because

> opensource gives us a lot of flexibility that we wouldn't otherwise

> have with a commercial software package. The list price for Simian is

> $1500, which I would rather invest in software that will mature with

> our station... is there any way to make a donation to livesupport or

> campware.org?

>

> Also, I would like to get involved with this project and see that our

> radio station get involved with this project. I've been tooling around

> with webcasting a while now and have found that the icecast muse

> darkice ices combo is excellent. Our radio station is planning on

> starting out as a live webcast, and then slowly moving to AM/FM, and

> since I've found that icecast is far superior to shoutcast and

> realplayer, I really want to keep as much software as possible

> opensource. I've also been trying to figure out how to create our

> digital record library with FLAC files, and maintain either a database

> of all the names (name, artist, date, label, etc...) of the files, or

> figure out a way to assign a naming system (like idv3) to FLAC files.

> Umm... also, if anybody has any experience with alsa, jack, and ardour

> for audio production, I could really use somebody to bounce questions

> off of. I really want to keep things linux based, but I don't know how

> long I can keep the engineers at bay before they start spending money

> on private software. Thoughts... ideas?

>

> Ben Racher

> General Manager - JagRadio (http://jagradio.iupui.edu)

> bracher@iupui.edu

> aim - pugfick

>

>

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Hi Ben,

Campware.org welcomes donations, and I am equally convinced as you that
your universities' money would be much better spent that way than on some
proprietary solution Wink

. The organization behind Campware, Media
Development Loan Fund, is a 501 (c)(3) U.S.-based nonprofit, so that should
help ease the bureaucracy. So anytime you are ready to donate, so are we Smile

Sava

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Media Development Loan Fund
=============================================
Sava Tatic
Managing director
Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)
Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6
Czech Republic
Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419
http://www.mdlf-camp.net
http://www.campware.org
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http://www.mdlf.org
=============================================

Ben Racher
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Subject: [livesupport-dev] Release is close?
02/18/05 07:34 PM
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livesupport-dev

Looks like you guys are getting close... I am really excited to see
this project in action. As I may have mentioned, I am trying to start a
radio station at IUPUI (Indiana University and Purdue University in
Indianapolis), and the administration is starting to take us seriously
and will soon allocate funds for the station. My engineers want to
purchase BSI-Simian as our automation software, but as a linux advocate
I'm really leaning towards an opensource alternative, mostly because
opensource gives us a lot of flexibility that we wouldn't otherwise
have with a commercial software package. The list price for Simian is
$1500, which I would rather invest in software that will mature with
our station... is there any way to make a donation to livesupport or
campware.org?

Also, I would like to get involved with this project and see that our
radio station get involved with this project. I've been tooling around
with webcasting a while now and have found that the icecast muse
darkice ices combo is excellent. Our radio station is planning on
starting out as a live webcast, and then slowly moving to AM/FM, and
since I've found that icecast is far superior to shoutcast and
realplayer, I really want to keep as much software as possible
opensource. I've also been trying to figure out how to create our
digital record library with FLAC files, and maintain either a database
of all the names (name, artist, date, label, etc...) of the files, or
figure out a way to assign a naming system (like idv3) to FLAC files.
Umm... also, if anybody has any experience with alsa, jack, and ardour
for audio production, I could really use somebody to bounce questions
off of. I really want to keep things linux based, but I don't know how
long I can keep the engineers at bay before they start spending money
on private software. Thoughts... ideas?

Ben Racher
General Manager - JagRadio (http://jagradio.iupui.edu)
bracher@iupui.edu
aim - pugfick

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