Hello All

I will try to respond just so that this post by Voisses Tech isn't the last word on this thread, and we can continue the conversation.

In regards to what is addressed by this fork,or spork or as you could call it was built from the work done by SourceFabric on their saas-dev branch before they decided to go completely dark in terms of source code and development to focus on Airtime.Pro their SaaS offering. We have spent most of our time working on fixing the underlying issues that prevented people from installing it on platforms aside from Ubuntu 14.04 and incrementally developing and testing new features.

We are working on retooling the underlying interface and frameworks that it was built upon and doing so as a community. We have adopted the Collective Code Construction Contract (C4) and our Code of Conduct contract wherein people who want to contribute agree not to engage in trolling and divisive rhetoric etc. The basic point is we are building a community of contributors that will work together cooperatively to address problems, build features and develop the open-source software that is the LibreTime project. This is something that was lacking when the primary mechanism of collaboration was this forum, where the developers of the software were notably absent and most of the community contributions consisted of hacks to core files such as liquidsoap etc.

As the C4 contribution process outlines we are looking for people to contribute their code enhancements to the core project where they can be reviewed and vetted by maintainers. The community can test the code and it can be integrated into the project through a PR. The development of Airtime became fragmented and the community divided. The core and foundation of this project and every other project is just as much the community as it is the code-base. Those who wish to participate in the spirit of cooperation are welcome to join us on Github.

We're starting with the saas-dev branch, that's why playback is probably missing. It's absolutely a feature I will need as well. 

this is great news and I'm interested in helping out. The things I would love to see that are vital to our use of Airtime are recording live shows and playback via the soundcard, neither of which seem to currently exist in this fork.

Are they on the agenda?

Interesting keep me informed
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My 649,500¢ worth...

The 2017 SaaS has outstanding issues we've tracked since 2012.

With the platform slowly going up in smoke, it probably makes more sense to let the mf'er burn rather than waste much more time throwing buckets of pennies free code water at it.

If there truly is a real next-gen rebuild effort going down behind the scenes, the community at large deserves to see some proof of life. Radio Pages, Twitter pings, and broken Rotations aren't really examples of active development -- they're examples of placeholder hacks positioned to distract everyone from the fact 3.0 isn't coming fast enough -or- 3.0 isn't coming altogether.

I believe I speak for the community in saying we're justifiably afraid refactoring is a tale as tall as the narrative suggesting Closedsourcefabric Airtime is still bona fide Open Source Software.

So the Airtime community as a whole benefits from the disproportionately huge swath of people using the software in production but contribute absolutely zero back? This is exactly why SF quietly threw in the towel on Open and Free in 2012/3. Hundreds if not thousands of production users and only a couple dozen paying to keep the 2.x cadaver on life support. How long are we going to keep playing Weekend At Bernies and insisting everything is a-ok?

Honestly, if more users paid in instead of coming here expecting free like Firefox, we wouldn't be in this mess would we? Actually yeah! We probably would!

Can you show me 5 community code contributions that were accepted upstream before the bug tracker and git were abandoned? Any that live on in the SaaS branch?

Is the SaaS-branch TuneIn AIR API metadata code from Bill Burton or Team SF? Hmmm... :-?

"Honestly, if more users paid in instead of coming here expecting free like Firefox, we wouldn't be in this mess would we?"

@roger: for 10$ per month I had a dedicated hardware box with 1TB disk and unlimited data traffic. (1Gb connection, in theory of course)
With that machine I have all the flexibility I want, I can use airtime, (multiple) liquidsoap hacks, autodj things,other hacks, shoutcast/icast , and 100Gb backup space. Not to mention the missing *real* audio processing in Airtime.

Roger Wilco said:

@bart -- a $10 dedicated server =))

That's as hilarious as voisses breaking Liquidsoap hacks into 58 posts and calling it "Airtime" =))

@Roger.
  I solve problem ,if it takes me 100 tries and to show the many different ways to do it,then I will until I finally have a solution I will. Can you say the same?
for 10years we used shoutcast 1.98 even when you were crying that it died.Today radionomy and shoutcast is literally wrestling from people.
Guess what the whole concept of Linux and Open Source is to take the dead source and revive it.Thats why we can take an Old Computer and give it new life as a server or Desktop.
As I remind you,PEOPLE HERE ARE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.They cannot find elsewhere and we are here not because we have all the answers but because we want to point them in a direction that they can achieve some level of success.
So which is better 100 answers broken down in many parts or 10 of your Answers"This is a dead software"
Well i am mention on liquidsoap,icecast and centovast forums. Where is your no answer mention.Seem I am helping.

Ok speak of helping
@ Bart you will want to try the ROTATION  SCRIPT

• THE double play (two or more songs playing at the same time
  
• Time Zone Fixed
• Queue Fixed so that songs will be queue based on the last song schedule

I am now moving it over to Hack,cause it works
   

This is a dead software :x

I am so lucky.
My word is always the last here check this post the sequence is so mixed up that ,now my rants are at the bottom.

@Bart. in fact you are right,Rivendell are for old Guys like me .
So here is why I like

1. Rivendell for its 99% stability and that's why I use Linux. Not to Joke on my Mac Book pro,I am using Libre Office , Gimp and Openshot.Just  to indicate who I am
2. Airtime for the flexibility that Zendframework brings.If you see how I pimp ine it looks like "VOISSESTIME " than airtime LOL.

I bet Roger like "Haunted Castle",which looks good outside but weird inside.

PHP codes are hard to maintain and if you are using a framework then even if you construct the logics in Raw PHP then you should be capable of converting it to the respective Framework.

I honestly like Airtime.

Let me give you a clue.
You see those  Liquidsoap hacks. without them Airtime becomes a nagging software.
So just to tell you,I have 10 clients and counting.
This Hack have them singing.

I have people pm me on various things .They love it bad.

Now here is why you people are chasing your tails.

You people are going crazy fixing things using PHP,well thank God see more zend work done

but maybe when I clean this code ,this week ,I give you a ride.
You will see features I have you wonder  how you can do it.

Here are few.

1.I have the system record ever hour 24/7 after every three hours it discard 1 hour (just for space) clients have the option to archive it to FTP ,Media Server etc I am now trying the own cloud api.
clients can pull down and remaster their recordings they can go back in a snap to replay something some one said etc.

Liquidsoap have a dump hack I hope to include that so clients can start and stop  recordings on the fly.

2.I have a full playout.you can start,stop,forward and rewind a song.I definitely will give you a ride

3.I use a different request to play like an Auxiliary player similar to what you see in  every known software and that "Liquidsoap Hack" is an auxillary to auto rotation .it actually generates a m3u list you can add songs to the playlist at the bottom at the top or just discard and start playing a new list

4.I have an upload section to load your beds,spots and promos and the system will play them every TOH,15min,30min,45min.Do not want a particular play time just leave it blank

5 I have when you can play from the output for transmitters and listen with Zero overruns. and to top it.You can select up to 10 sound cards on a 512m  with the Cpu at around 60%

You see that Liquidsoap Hack it allows you to run cron like jobs.I see it to check if the playlist is empty and then fill it. 

That hack allows no dead air, no silence and guess what, clients can put in a backup url,oh sorry 2 instead of a using a playlist good for substation and guess what alll the substation has to do is turn there system off.

and for those who not see the information in the dashboard just modify the dashboard js for informatio  on the screen and the Api controller  get liveinfo to put it in the api

Yes just take the of_json from the output(s)  and half of the ls_lib  scripts is gone.
Yes if you know how to use that LIQUIDSOAP HACK ,you could have clients dumping there barix and other remote equipment

and  to give you the icing that Liquidsoap Hack help me to focus on the whole matter of learning Zend.
i almost ca customize any area with small modification and its all good.


So on to the Community.
I used a Firewall from 1999,it was the simplest.THrough its community things like dnsguardian and a whole lot of things come through.

In 2001 some brilliant persons come up with the idea they formed a GPL and by some where in the 2000-2001 they formed a limited liabilty company.

Everybody contributed to the Gpl and we did what is know as "HOMEBREW" oh thats what you called Hacks

Up to today that company still integrates the "HOMEBREW " in its proprietary program but the one thing that company did that taught me a lesson is RESPECT for all contributions.

You have people who literally come in here with insults but Here is my final word

NO COMMUNITY CAN EXISTS WITHOUT A GOOD LEADER AND TO UNDERSTAND HIS VISION AND IDEAS.

THAT LEADER MUST BE WILLING TO LISTEN AND RESPECT EVERYONE CRITICISM.

You all will fail.Get Sourcefabric on board or Go build a totally New System.(maybe its too late now)
like the whole media field in most countries, you all compete,even think you can turn other people ideas in your glory.

So here me my friend or enemy. AIrtime is not what you said
Airtime had a

1. bug report section
2. a demo
3. a development demo
   
4. Github
5. This Forum

This is covers all you said was missing but the truth of what's missing is as I said RESPECT.

Anybody read this can note "AIRTIME IS NOTHING WITHOUT LIQUIDSOAP HACKS"

Do not stress yourself just search through and adopt one. You will be please with the software.

I will help you as long as you are committed to run your station 24/7 without complains

Remember its in Chronological order ,so a suggested hack in say January 2013 is not necessarily good in December 2016.

I do not want the Last word and there is no incentive for me to join that community.
On the Other hand nobody in that community will tolerate me even if  I am B.S ,guess what I Hate  B.S

Oh Lord its hard to be Humble when you are perfect in every way.

Ps.
Anyone reading this a find it funny about my grammar , I make no apology ,go get a translator.

Read my signature before comment please.

help me here

https://forum.sourcefabric.org/discussion/18336/autodj-script-help-needed-php

I give you some Zend codes that easy to upgrade to  Zendframewrk 2 and possible 3 with PHP 7.
 You do not have to move to any fork they are easy patches

This one if you run it does everything that the liqudsoap hack lacks

They just cant take my big mouth .Oh lord I might just make some enemy

@ Roger

I think most people who comes here are people who want   to have a customized system. Not something off the shelves.

I have a client who has some 30 years in radio ,All he likes now is Itunes and any encoder that can push out the stream.

He was a shoutcast fan and it was so good that tune in came in and the phone system.
He has the money for SaaS but he rather buy a new gig etc, from that savings,

He likes the enhancement but trust me learn from him ,"Save where you can  so you can be great"
If you noticed one presidential candidate use Facebook as his media Mogel rather than go buy a TV station or Ads
Too many Offers out there with sweeter interface. like that cloud one for $17/month with 250 simultaneous. check world wide

I am software engineer not consumer. and I hope I can help others.Maybe the next offer that is new (like when Tunein Came in we here was writing codes long before ) you will be waiting on The SaaS
I use this to offer my clients the difference  most are already comfortable.

This is why I use Linux cause I don't want an Windows already done

I know this sound confrontational but its more a statement.

@ Roger
$10 per month  x 12 =$120.00 half my fare from florida to the caribbean or a lot of drinks per year
                                             if I donate it some poor kids in Africa maybe a year's meal
$120 per year X 3 years = $360 half my fare for a cruise

and I could go on.

You see I added at the bottom the openshot story,for you to quote to me about Windoze just show me have not developed the spirit of open  source.

I think that bug has bit a few at Airtime ,maybe I am wrong but you imagine Linus get up tomorrow and start saying all you said ?

This is  why I use linux  not windy

My Gosh @Roger lets just call it a truce

By the way I solved that PHP script and will be posting it as the alternative to the Autodj.

To answer your Question  of  who  helped, scored these forum and then read the codes in Airtime and you see.
Yes they finalised it but @Roger  I think the Fork Approach is still a spoon