Opinion on Mapping popups
  • Vote Up0Vote Down Martin SaturkaMartin Saturka
    Posts: 40Member, Sourcefabric Team

    Hello, Newscoop users!
    I have a question on using the new map-geolocation feature, regarding
    the issue CS-2518, see
    http://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/CS-2518

    What would you prefer:
    * To have the fancy pseudo-popup that is used now, but without
    possibility to go quickly between article and map editing.
    * To have classical popup windows that are not fancy, but they allow
    you to go quickly between article and map editing.

    Regards,
    M.

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  • I'm pro what we have now.
    It looks modern and clean.

    I can't imagine common use cases where clients will feel frustrated that they can't navigate back and forth, but I'm not a journalist.

    Also, if a user really needs it, right-click->open in a new window works as well.
  • Vote Up0Vote Down Sava TatićSava Tatić
    Posts: 113Member, Administrator, Sourcefabric Team
    I think we should keep it the way it is.

    On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Ofir Gal <
    newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:

    > I'm pro what we have now.
    > It looks modern and clean.
    >
    > I can't imagine common use cases where clients will feel frustrated that
    > they can't navigate back and forth, but I'm not a journalist.
    >
    > Also, if a user really needs it, right-click->open in a new window works as
    > well.
    >



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  • Vote Up0Vote Down Micz FlorMicz Flor
    Posts: 184Administrator

    my strong (yet uninformed) opinion, i haven't tried it yet:

    a total must have: easy jumping back and forth between article edit
    screen and geolocation tool.

    here just one use scenario:

    i am writing an article on good restaurants in prague.

    i have a list of my top ten restaurants and added them to an
    article-field in the article edit window.

    now i want to add all ten on the map with the geolocation tool.

    i can not memorize all streets, so i need to jump back and forth between
    article content and geolocation window.

    this is why i strongly opt to find a practical solution - and make it
    beautiful. not the other way round :)

    On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 19:36 +0100, Sava Tatić wrote:
    > I think we should keep it the way it is.
    >
    > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Ofir Gal <
    > newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:
    >
    > > I'm pro what we have now.
    > > It looks modern and clean.
    > >
    > > I can't imagine common use cases where clients will feel frustrated
    > that
    > > they can't navigate back and forth, but I'm not a journalist.
    > >
    > > Also, if a user really needs it, right-click->open in a new window
    > works as
    > > well.
    > >
    >
    >
    >
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  • I agree with Micz. The maps edit window is fundamentally different than the other popups that a site may have; regular work with points of interest (POIs) frequently requires users to switch into the article in order to copy and paste the relevant text into the POI's popup bubble.

    Requiring users to open a second tab in order to do this seems a bit much.
    Douglas Arellanes
    Director of Innovation
    Sourcefabric, o.p.s.

    Find a way or make one.

  • Good to have feedback on this kind of UI stuff, it would be great to
    hear from anyone using Newscoop in a daily basis.

    I would keep it the way it works now for the GA release, then after
    getting more feedback (together with what we already got) we could
    make a better decision.



    On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Douglas Arellanes
    <newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:
    >
    > I agree with Micz. The maps edit window is fundamentally different than the other popups that a site may have; regular work with points of interest (POIs) frequently requires users to switch into the article in order to copy and paste the relevant text into the POI's popup bubble.
    >
    > Requiring users to open a second tab in order to do this seems a bit much.
    >


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  • Vote Up0Vote Down Paul BaranowskiPaul Baranowski
    Posts: 389Member, Administrator, Sourcefabric Team
    Yes, we need to put a hold on these sort of changes for the release. If
    something is working we need to keep it frozen, only bug fixes can be
    addressed at this point.


    Paul Baranowski
    CTO, Sourcefabric, http://sourcefabric.org

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    On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Holman Romero <
    newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:

    >
    > Good to have feedback on this kind of UI stuff, it would be great to
    > hear from anyone using Newscoop in a daily basis.
    >
    > I would keep it the way it works now for the GA release, then after
    > getting more feedback (together with what we already got) we could
    > make a better decision.
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Douglas Arellanes
    >
    > <newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:
    > >
    > > I agree with Micz. The maps edit window is fundamentally different than
    > the other popups that a site may have; regular work with points of interest
    > (POIs) frequently requires users to switch into the article in order to copy
    > and paste the relevant text into the POI's popup bubble.
    > >
    > > Requiring users to open a second tab in order to do this seems a bit
    > much.
    > >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Holman Romero
    > Senior Software Engineer, Sourcefabric
    > holman.romero@sourcefabric.org
    >
    >
    > Salvátorská 10
    > 110 00 Praha 1, Czech Republic
    > +420 608910633
    >
    > http://www.sourcefabric.org
    >
    >

  • Vote Up0Vote Down Martin SaturkaMartin Saturka
    Posts: 40Member, Sourcefabric Team
    First, it is accompanied with a bug (CS-2514), see
    http://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/CS-2514

    Thus we have to solve something here. In fact, the current state is a new
    feature added just before the release of RC2. The previous (popup-based)
    mode had e.g. 'just popup focusing' under edit-clicking when the popup was
    already created (to not loose unsaved changes at the geo-popup). Many things
    got changed during last days, and we should decide what should be a viable
    and usable mode.

    M.


    On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Paul Baranowski <
    newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:

    > Yes, we need to put a hold on these sort of changes for the release. If
    > something is working we need to keep it frozen, only bug fixes can be
    > addressed at this point.
    >
    >
    > Paul Baranowski
    > CTO, Sourcefabric, http://sourcefabric.org
    >
    > +1 (416) 832-6436 (Cell)
    > Skype: paulbaranowski
    > 720 Bathurst St. / Suite 203 / Toronto / ON / M5S 2R4 / Canada
    >
    >
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  • Vote Up0Vote Down Paul BaranowskiPaul Baranowski
    Posts: 389Member, Administrator, Sourcefabric Team
    Ok, lets discuss this at tomorrows meeting.


    Paul Baranowski
    CTO, Sourcefabric, http://sourcefabric.org

    +1 (416) 832-6436 (Cell)
    Skype: paulbaranowski
    720 Bathurst St. / Suite 203 / Toronto / ON / M5S 2R4 / Canada



    On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Martin Saturka <
    newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:

    > First, it is accompanied with a bug (CS-2514), see
    > http://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/CS-2514
    >
    > Thus we have to solve something here. In fact, the current state is a new
    > feature added just before the release of RC2. The previous (popup-based)
    > mode had e.g. 'just popup focusing' under edit-clicking when the popup was
    > already created (to not loose unsaved changes at the geo-popup). Many
    > things
    > got changed during last days, and we should decide what should be a viable
    > and usable mode.
    >
    > M.
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Paul Baranowski <
    >
    > newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:
    >
    > > Yes, we need to put a hold on these sort of changes for the release. If
    > > something is working we need to keep it frozen, only bug fixes can be
    > > addressed at this point.
    > >
    > >
    > > Paul Baranowski
    > > CTO, Sourcefabric, http://sourcefabric.org
    > >
    > > +1 (416) 832-6436 (Cell)
    > > Skype: paulbaranowski
    > > 720 Bathurst St. / Suite 203 / Toronto / ON / M5S 2R4 / Canada
    > >
    > >
    > --
    > Martin Saturka
    > Software Engineer, Sourcefabric
    > martin.saturka@sourcefabric.org
    > www.sourcefabric.org
    >
    >
    >

  • Vote Up0Vote Down Sava TatićSava Tatić
    Posts: 113Member, Administrator, Sourcefabric Team
    I think everybody interested should play more with the feature first and
    then decide. I'd be curious to see what Netgazeti has to say.

    It also seems to me that the bug Martin mentions is something that an
    upstream fix (Fancybox or the browsers) might take care of soon.

    We have a modern UI now, why use a blast from the past (and face popup
    blocker issues?). I am sure there would be away to improve the current
    approach AFTER the GA release [e.g. we could have text field as the default
    POI entry and option to enlarge the map if further specification is
    necessary (along the lines of what it looks like after a POI has been added]

    All the best,

    Sava

    On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Paul Baranowski <
    newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:

    > Ok, lets discuss this at tomorrows meeting.
    >
    >
    >
    > Paul Baranowski
    > CTO, Sourcefabric, http://sourcefabric.org
    >
    > +1 (416) 832-6436 (Cell)
    > Skype: paulbaranowski
    > 720 Bathurst St. / Suite 203 / Toronto / ON / M5S 2R4 / Canada
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Martin Saturka <
    >
    > newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:
    >
    > > First, it is accompanied with a bug (CS-2514), see
    > > http://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/CS-2514
    > >
    > > Thus we have to solve something here. In fact, the current state is a new
    > > feature added just before the release of RC2. The previous (popup-based)
    > > mode had e.g. 'just popup focusing' under edit-clicking when the popup
    > was
    > > already created (to not loose unsaved changes at the geo-popup). Many
    > > things
    > > got changed during last days, and we should decide what should be a
    > viable
    > > and usable mode.
    > >
    > > M.
    > >
    > >
    > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Paul Baranowski <
    > >
    > > newscoop-support@lists.sourcefabric.org> wrote:
    > >
    > > > Yes, we need to put a hold on these sort of changes for the release. If
    > > > something is working we need to keep it frozen, only bug fixes can be
    > > > addressed at this point.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Paul Baranowski
    > > > CTO, Sourcefabric, http://sourcefabric.org
    > > >
    > > > +1 (416) 832-6436 (Cell)
    > > > Skype: paulbaranowski
    > > > 720 Bathurst St. / Suite 203 / Toronto / ON / M5S 2R4 / Canada
    > > >
    > > >
    > > --
    > > Martin Saturka
    > > Software Engineer, Sourcefabric
    > > martin.saturka@sourcefabric.org
    > > www.sourcefabric.org
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >



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