A simple thing, maybe important when interacting with the UI. I can
see now we have different things that can be linked to an article. Go
to the article edit screen and you will see on the right column:
- Locations (which is the new feature to work with maps, btw, is it
"Locations" clear?)
- Publish Schedule
- Comments
- Images
- Files
- Topics
- Audioclips (if enabled in System Preferences)
So, the question is... does this order correspond to what would be
_ideal_ for the user? For example, I think Topics is really important
and is now at the bottom. We were talking with Fritz about this in
Berlin and I think he was suggesting to use kind of an ajax-style
accordion for this... but still the order matters.
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The answer is simple: no it doesn't. It was mostly a fruit of organic
development. We should take a hard look at the ordering and come up with
something more logical.
So let's start.
Sava
On Monday, December 06, 2010 12:05:52 Holman Romero wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> A simple thing, maybe important when interacting with the UI. I can
> see now we have different things that can be linked to an article. Go
> to the article edit screen and you will see on the right column:
>
> - Locations (which is the new feature to work with maps, btw, is it
> "Locations" clear?)
> - Publish Schedule
> - Comments
> - Images
> - Files
> - Topics
> - Audioclips (if enabled in System Preferences)
>
> So, the question is... does this order correspond to what would be
> _ideal_ for the user? For example, I think Topics is really important
> and is now at the bottom. We were talking with Fritz about this in
> Berlin and I think he was suggesting to use kind of an ajax-style
> accordion for this... but still the order matters.
>
> Best,
There seem to be two separate and important tasks here.
The first is to come up with a new reordering for the items on the left column. Could we have a dynamic reordering, where items that have been added most recently would appear at the top? In such a scheme, if there was a topic added most recently, then topics would be at the top of the list, or if it was a photo added, that might be at the top.
If that's too confusing/complicated, here's my vote for the items:
Maybe we could allow site admins to change this ordering, or at least point to where it is in the code?
I also wanted to point to how the Drupal-based OpenPublish handles their article page design, and I think it's pretty clean. The article page is the fifth slide.
IMHO, the article page design overall could use some _serious_ love. For one thing, its fixed width means that it's not making use of most of the real estate on the page. Then there is the implied left column taken up by the "Save" button. And this isn't even mentioning the right column and the article "assets" (still not sure we shouldn't be using a plainer name for these things, like "items" but I'm not entirely enthusiastic about that either.
If we are going to use accordions (and I've never met an accordion I didn't like), we should provide a clear indicator that there is content inside it when it is rolled up, either by color or by a numeric indicator, like:
Images (4)
or
Topics (2)
Douglas Arellanes Director of Innovation Sourcefabric, o.p.s.
> There seem to be two separate and important tasks here.
>
> The first is to come up with a new reordering for the items on the left
> column. Could we have a dynamic reordering, where items that have been added
> most recently would appear at the top? In such a scheme, if there was a
> topic added most recently, then topics would be at the top of the list, or
> if it was a photo added, that might be at the top.
>
> If that's too confusing/complicated, here's my vote for the items:
>
> 1) Images
> 2) Topics
> 3) Files
> 4) Publish schedule
> 5) Polls
>
> Maybe we could allow site admins to change this ordering, or at least point
> to where it is in the code?
>
> IMHO, the article page design overall could use some _serious_ love. For
> one thing, its fixed width means that it's not making use of most of the
> real estate on the page. Then there is the implied left column taken up by
> the "Save" button. And this isn't even mentioning the right column and the
> article "assets" (still not sure we shouldn't be using a plainer name for
> these things, like "items" but I'm not entirely enthusiastic about that
> either.
>
> If we are going to use accordions (and I've never met an accordion I didn't
> like), we should provide a clear indicator that there is content inside it
> when it is rolled up, either by color or by a numeric indicator, like:
>
> Images (4)
>
> or
>
> Topics (2)
>
>
>
-- Ljuba Rankovic Senior Front End Developer, Sourcefabric ljuba.rankovic@sourcefabric.org
log in and go to a post, the assets are on the right.
this can also be done with jquery, of course. and it would be good if you could autosave these settings with the user profile. imagine you are the proof reader, you don't need to see the images. you close them - and then they stay closed. until you open them again.
> ljuba rankovic wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 13:32
>
> Hi, I agree on usage of jquery accordian, it goes naturally for this kind
> of functionality.
>
>
>
> jquery accordion is possibly not the right tool. the accordion closes the
> ones which are not active. you can see that here:
> http://jquery.bassistance.de/accordion/demo/
>
> better would be the way wordpress is doing it. you can open and close each
> one individually. you can try that here:
>
> http:// php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=88&na
> me=WordPress< http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=88 &name=WordPress >
>
> log in and go to a post, the assets are on the right.
>
> this can also be done with jquery, of course. and it would be good if you
> could autosave these settings with the user profile. imagine you are the
> proof reader, you don't need to see the images. you close them - and then
> they stay closed. until you open them again.
>
Yes we are talking about the same thing, Collapser (plugin which is based on
accordian function of jquery). I just used it here http://uus.org.rs/sh/desavanja/salon/ for the quick side menu (it's yet
another CS site that needs to be added to Who's using list).
It doesn't close previous selection until it is intentionally closed, the
way WP sidebar works.
Autosave is good idea, actually it may be set inside user rights (by
checking which panel someone wants to have open by default, for example)
> Yes, a real accordion is not the right solution for this. The Wordpress
> example is the way to go for the side panels.
>
>
> On 6 December 2010 17:07, Micz Flor <campsite-dev@lists.sourcefabric.org
> >wrote:
>
>
> > ljuba rankovic wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 13:32
> >
> > Hi, I agree on usage of jquery accordian, it goes naturally for this kind
> > of functionality.
> >
> >
> >
> > jquery accordion is possibly not the right tool. the accordion closes the
> > ones which are not active. you can see that here:
> > http://jquery.bassistance.de/accordion/demo/
> >
> > better would be the way wordpress is doing it. you can open and close
> each
> > one individually. you can try that here:
> >
> > http:// php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=88&na
> > me=WordPress<
> http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/details.php?scriptid=88 &name=WordPress >
>
> >
> > log in and go to a post, the assets are on the right.
> >
> > this can also be done with jquery, of course. and it would be good if you
> > could autosave these settings with the user profile. imagine you are the
> > proof reader, you don't need to see the images. you close them - and then
> > they stay closed. until you open them again.
> >
>
>
>
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Speaking as a some-time journalist, deadline (i.e. publication schedule)
should probably be at the top. Deadlines are something that bloggers don't
know about, they just post whenever :-)