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At 01:26 29.06.2005, sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
>Robert will supply the
>MP3 jingles tomorrow.

robert, do you also have all the audio tracks? i don't know if i gave them
to you. but they should also be in the CVS. when you compress them (they
are already tight in ogg) try to take the original audio files from the cds
i gave you. the files alltogether should not exceed the size they have now.

which reminds me, frans, did you put them there Wink

??? i remember you have
a copy of the cd with jingles and tracks.

also: the idea was to make a demo database on the demo server with these
files that can be used after a fresh installation and also for the live cd
to demo.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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"which reminds me, frans, did you put them there Wink

??? i remember you
have a copy of the cd with jingles and tracks."

My cd with jingles and tracks is be in the hands of tomas, because he
had to do the job he have done, and doug got the second one, so both are
in Prague.

Frans van Berckel

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Frans van Berckel wrote:
> "which reminds me, frans, did you put them there Wink

??? i remember you
> have a copy of the cd with jingles and tracks."
>
> My cd with jingles and tracks is be in the hands of tomas, because he
> had to do the job he have done, and doug got the second one, so both are
> in Prague.

BTW, is all the music we're going to publish under the CC license? I
remember we aggreeing on this, just wanted to double-check..

Akos

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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:08:41 +0200 Frans van Berckel wrote:
> "which reminds me, frans, did you put them there Wink

??? i remember you
> have a copy of the cd with jingles and tracks."
>
> My cd with jingles and tracks is be in the hands of tomas, because he
> had to do the job he have done, and doug got the second one, so both are
> in Prague.
>
> Frans van Berckel

I have a copy on ls-dev server - do you want I make it downloadable?
It have ~27MB ...

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I'm, probably able to reconvert oggs to mp3 ...
(oggdec to wav and Bladenc to mp3)
I'm not sure about quality loss, but it possible.

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Tomas Hlava wrote:
> I'm, probably able to reconvert oggs to mp3 ...
> (oggdec to wav and Bladenc to mp3)
> I'm not sure about quality loss, but it possible.

Robert has done the re-encoding already, and he was about to upload it
to ls-dev (I created a user account for him there) when I last heard
from him.

Ferenc

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>BTW, is all the music we're going to publish under the CC license? I
>remember we aggreeing on this, just wanted to double-check..

it is under GNU GPL. CC was not an issue at the time of recording. but GNU
/ GPL should fit our needs.

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At 12:01 29.06.2005, Ferenc Gerlits wrote:
>Tomas Hlava wrote:
>>I'm, probably able to reconvert oggs to mp3 ...
>>(oggdec to wav and Bladenc to mp3)
>>I'm not sure about quality loss, but it possible.
>
>Robert has done the re-encoding already, and he was about to upload it to
>ls-dev (I created a user account for him there) when I last heard from him.

i am not sure if robert has anything but the jingles. i haven't heard from
him. if it is only jingles and not the music as well, i suggest - tomas -
you could attempt the reencoding (not losing the tags!) from ogg to mp3.
the quality is low as it is. but that's a file size issue - we don't want
this to be best radio quality, but demo material for playlists.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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>> Robert has done the re-encoding already, and he was about to upload
>> it to ls-dev (I created a user account for him there) when I last
>> heard from him.
>
> i am not sure if robert has anything but the jingles. i haven't heard
> from him. if it is only jingles and not the music as well, i suggest -
> tomas - you could attempt the reencoding (not losing the tags!) from
> ogg to mp3.

Hi Micz,

Sorry I didn`t call you sooner, I had some troubles this morning with
my cable internet connection (%$#@&*) Smile

)
Anyway , on ls.dev.campware.org are placed mp3 samples for LS , jingles
and also Dominique music .

About our yesterday`s discussion, you are right of course.
We can connect LS station on audiomix ,( or some other player programe
maybe ).
My sugestion was only of strategic and principiel nature for future ....
Sorry if I sounded a bit rough. Wink

Robert

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Micz Flor wrote:
> it is under GNU GPL. CC was not an issue at the time of recording. but
> GNU / GPL should fit our needs.

it was, we aggreed on it in Prague.

also, GNU GPL only applies for software source code, and music is no
such thing...

is there any problem with publishing these files under CC non-commercial
contribution share-alike?

Akos

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At 13:37 29.06.2005, you wrote:
>jingles and also Dominique music .

hm. i think tomas would need to do the recoding, because there were three
bands and only three (or four?) tracks from each record.

i know it is all open content, so we can use the entire record, but i
thought it is only fair to not include ALL the material, because they also
want to sell CDs... plus with the three bands there is a bit more variety.

in other words: please delete the dominique tracks and tomas: please
reencode the music from ogg to mp3 to go online.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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At 13:40 29.06.2005, you wrote:
>is there any problem with publishing these files under CC non-commercial
>contribution share-alike?

all tracks are taken from CDs which are also for sale. i had the bands to
agree with a number of songs to go into the package. the songs are all
royalty free and we can use them for free.

we should make sure that all future files will be under creative commons
license. these ones are not. but if you go to the creative commons site and
check their music, CC is not necessarily a pedigree for good music Wink

i suggest that we include what we have, because i don't have the time to
research and collect music for the 1.0 release to fit the CC paradigm set
out in the last meeting in prague.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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>
> Anyway , on ls.dev.campware.org are placed mp3 samples for LS ,
> jingles and also Dominique music .
>
>

Ops I`m stilll uploading on server ...
Do you want me to edit song to be 30-40 sec.long ?

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At 13:40 29.06.2005, you wrote:
>is there any problem with publishing these files under CC non-commercial
>contribution share-alike?

which reminds me: we should check if the copyright metatag allows such
licensing. because that would be the only place where i can see how we can
publish under specific licenses.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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At 13:46 29.06.2005, you wrote:
>Ops I`m stilll uploading on server ...
>Do you want me to edit song to be 30-40 sec.long ?

no. that's not the issue. there was a selected number of tracks to go into
the database. only tomas has the final CD now - doug is offline, frans gave
it to tomas. so tomas, please, reencode to mp3.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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Micz Flor wrote:
> all tracks are taken from CDs which are also for sale. i had the bands
> to agree with a number of songs to go into the package. the songs are
> all royalty free and we can use them for free.

under what license?

I'm sure you're aware, as LS is published by MDLF, which is registered
in the US, US copyright law applies here. and according to that, if
something is not explicitly licensed, its copyright is all rights
reserved copyright - any attempt to reproduce without direct, written
permission of the copyright owner _signed by both parties_ (on paper) is
a breach of law.

thus if we publish 'just like that', or just say 'it's royalty free' -
anyone downloading our tarball, burning our CD, making a copy to someone
else will break the law.

do we want to create criminals from all poeple interested enough in LS
to actually get a copy?

> we should make sure that all future files will be under creative commons
> license. these ones are not. but if you go to the creative commons site
> and check their music, CC is not necessarily a pedigree for good music Wink

I'm not talking quality here.

> i suggest that we include what we have, because i don't have the time to
> research and collect music for the 1.0 release to fit the CC paradigm
> set out in the last meeting in prague.

but see above - that's a _major_ legal risk we're going into.

if you could convince there artists to royalty free use, couldn't you
convince them in a way that their contribution is actually legally useful?

Akos

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Micz Flor wrote:
> which reminds me: we should check if the copyright metatag allows such
> licensing. because that would be the only place where i can see how we
> can publish under specific licenses.

of course this has already been thought of:
http://creativecommons.org/technology/embedding

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ok. i am convinced. robert, just the jingles, tomas, forget the conversion.
back to 1.0

At 13:53 29.06.2005, you wrote:
>Micz Flor wrote:
> > all tracks are taken from CDs which are also for sale. i had the bands
> > to agree with a number of songs to go into the package. the songs are
> > all royalty free and we can use them for free.
>
>under what license?
>
>I'm sure you're aware, as LS is published by MDLF, which is registered
>in the US, US copyright law applies here. and according to that, if
>something is not explicitly licensed, its copyright is all rights
>reserved copyright - any attempt to reproduce without direct, written
>permission of the copyright owner _signed by both parties_ (on paper) is
>a breach of law.
>
>thus if we publish 'just like that', or just say 'it's royalty free' -
>anyone downloading our tarball, burning our CD, making a copy to someone
>else will break the law.
>
>do we want to create criminals from all poeple interested enough in LS
>to actually get a copy?
>
> > we should make sure that all future files will be under creative commons
> > license. these ones are not. but if you go to the creative commons site
> > and check their music, CC is not necessarily a pedigree for good music Wink

>
>I'm not talking quality here.
>
> > i suggest that we include what we have, because i don't have the time to
> > research and collect music for the 1.0 release to fit the CC paradigm
> > set out in the last meeting in prague.
>
>but see above - that's a _major_ legal risk we're going into.
>
>if you could convince there artists to royalty free use, couldn't you
>convince them in a way that their contribution is actually legally useful?
>
>
>Akos

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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Micz,

Don't give up so easily. Can't we get those artists of yours to sign the
goddamn agreement? I can get our lawyer(s) to get us some sort of nice
legal document that would make this nice and legal. Next time I'll
personally write a set of 32 songs (produced by our one and only RK) for
demo purposes and sign them off to Campware, but for now, let's stick to
your artists. Seriously, if you think they'd be willing to sign something
that would legalize the whole endeavor, let's choose that way.

Sava

Micz Flor
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ok. i am convinced. robert, just the jingles, tomas, forget the
conversion.
back to 1.0

At 13:53 29.06.2005, you wrote:
>Micz Flor wrote:
> > all tracks are taken from CDs which are also for sale. i had the bands
> > to agree with a number of songs to go into the package. the songs are
> > all royalty free and we can use them for free.
>
>under what license?
>
>I'm sure you're aware, as LS is published by MDLF, which is registered
>in the US, US copyright law applies here. and according to that, if
>something is not explicitly licensed, its copyright is all rights
>reserved copyright - any attempt to reproduce without direct, written
>permission of the copyright owner _signed by both parties_ (on paper) is
>a breach of law.
>
>thus if we publish 'just like that', or just say 'it's royalty free' -
>anyone downloading our tarball, burning our CD, making a copy to someone
>else will break the law.
>
>do we want to create criminals from all poeple interested enough in LS
>to actually get a copy?
>
> > we should make sure that all future files will be under creative
commons
> > license. these ones are not. but if you go to the creative commons
site
> > and check their music, CC is not necessarily a pedigree for good music
Wink

>
>I'm not talking quality here.
>
> > i suggest that we include what we have, because i don't have the time
to
> > research and collect music for the 1.0 release to fit the CC paradigm
> > set out in the last meeting in prague.
>
>but see above - that's a _major_ legal risk we're going into.
>
>if you could convince there artists to royalty free use, couldn't you
>convince them in a way that their contribution is actually legally
useful?
>
>
>Akos

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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Micz,

Don't give up so easily. Can't we get those artists of yours to sign the goddamn agreement? I can get our lawyer(s) to get us some sort of nice legal document that would make this nice and legal. Next time I'll personally write a set of 32 songs (produced by our one and only RK) for demo purposes and sign them off to Campware, but for now, let's stick to your artists. Seriously, if you think they'd be willing to sign something that would legalize the whole endeavor, let's choose that way.

Sava

Micz Flor <micz.flor@web.de>

Sent by: micz.flor@web.de

06/29/2005 08:06 AM

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ok. i am convinced. robert, just the jingles, tomas, forget the conversion.

back to 1.0

At 13:53 29.06.2005, you wrote:

>Micz Flor wrote:

> > all tracks are taken from CDs which are also for sale. i had the bands

> > to agree with a number of songs to go into the package. the songs are

> > all royalty free and we can use them for free.

>

>under what license?

>

>I'm sure you're aware, as LS is published by MDLF, which is registered

>in the US, US copyright law applies here. and according to that, if

>something is not explicitly licensed, its copyright is all rights

>reserved copyright - any attempt to reproduce without direct, written

>permission of the copyright owner _signed by both parties_ (on paper) is

>a breach of law.

>

>thus if we publish 'just like that', or just say 'it's royalty free' -

>anyone downloading our tarball, burning our CD, making a copy to someone

>else will break the law.

>

>do we want to create criminals from all poeple interested enough in LS

>to actually get a copy?

>

> > we should make sure that all future files will be under creative commons

> > license. these ones are not. but if you go to the creative commons site

> > and check their music, CC is not necessarily a pedigree for good music Wink

>

>I'm not talking quality here.

>

> > i suggest that we include what we have, because i don't have the time to

> > research and collect music for the 1.0 release to fit the CC paradigm

> > set out in the last meeting in prague.

>

>but see above - that's a _major_ legal risk we're going into.

>

>if you could convince there artists to royalty free use, couldn't you

>convince them in a way that their contribution is actually legally useful?

>

>

>Akos

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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Micz Flor wrote:
> ok. i am convinced. robert, just the jingles, tomas, forget the
> conversion. back to 1.0

for the reasons cited before, could we make sure that all audio
published with LS is properly licensed (including the jingles)?

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