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Hi,
Here is a list of genres as presented in the ID3v2 spec
(http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
The following genres is defined in ID3v1
0.Blues
1.Classic Rock
2.Country
3.Dance
4.Disco
5.Funk
6.Grunge
7.Hip-Hop
8.Jazz
9.Metal
10.New Age
11.Oldies
12.Other
13.Pop
14.R&B
15.Rap
16.Reggae
17.Rock
18.Techno
19.Industrial
20.Alternative
21.Ska
22.Death Metal
23.Pranks
24.Soundtrack
25.Euro-Techno
26.Ambient
27.Trip-Hop
28.Vocal
29.Jazz+Funk
30.Fusion
31.Trance
32.Classical
33.Instrumental
34.Acid
35.House
36.Game
37.Sound Clip
38.Gospel
39.Noise
40.AlternRock
41.Bass
42.Soul
43.Punk
44.Space
45.Meditative
46.Instrumental Pop
47.Instrumental Rock
48.Ethnic
49.Gothic
50.Darkwave
51.Techno-Industrial
52.Electronic
53.Pop-Folk
54.Eurodance
55.Dream
56.Southern Rock
57.Comedy
58.Cult
59.Gangsta
60.Top 40
61.Christian Rap
62.Pop/Funk
63.Jungle
64.Native American
65.Cabaret
66.New Wave
67.Psychadelic
68.Rave
69.Showtunes
70.Trailer
71.Lo-Fi
72.Tribal
73.Acid Punk
74.Acid Jazz
75.Polka
76.Retro
77.Musical
78.Rock & Roll
79.Hard Rock
The following genres are Winamp extensions
80.Folk
81.Folk-Rock
82.National Folk
83.Swing
84.Fast Fusion
85.Bebob
86.Latin
87.Revival
88.Celtic
89.Bluegrass
90.Avantgarde
91.Gothic Rock
92.Progressive Rock
93.Psychedelic Rock
94.Symphonic Rock
95.Slow Rock
96.Big Band
97.Chorus
98.Easy Listening
99.Acoustic
100.Humour
101.Speech
102.Chanson
103.Opera
104.Chamber Music
105.Sonata
106.Symphony
107.Booty Bass
108.Primus
109.Porn Groove
110.Satire
111.Slow Jam
112.Club
113.Tango
114.Samba
115.Folklore
116.Ballad
117.Power Ballad
118.Rhythmic Soul
119.Freestyle
120.Duet
121.Punk Rock
122.Drum Solo
123.A capella
124.Euro-House
125.Dance Hall
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Hi,
Here is a list of genres as presented in the ID3v2 spec (http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
The following genres is defined in ID3v1
0.Blues
1.Classic Rock
2.Country
3.Dance
4.Disco
5.Funk
6.Grunge
7.Hip-Hop
8.Jazz
9.Metal
10.New Age
11.Oldies
12.Other
13.Pop
14.R&B
15.Rap
16.Reggae
17.Rock
18.Techno
19.Industrial
20.Alternative
21.Ska
22.Death Metal
23.Pranks
24.Soundtrack
25.Euro-Techno
26.Ambient
27.Trip-Hop
28.Vocal
29.Jazz+Funk
30.Fusion
31.Trance
32.Classical
33.Instrumental
34.Acid
35.House
36.Game
37.Sound Clip
38.Gospel
39.Noise
40.AlternRock
41.Bass
42.Soul
43.Punk
44.Space
45.Meditative
46.Instrumental Pop
47.Instrumental Rock
48.Ethnic
49.Gothic
50.Darkwave
51.Techno-Industrial
52.Electronic
53.Pop-Folk
54.Eurodance
55.Dream
56.Southern Rock
57.Comedy
58.Cult
59.Gangsta
60.Top 40
61.Christian Rap
62.Pop/Funk
63.Jungle
64.Native American
65.Cabaret
66.New Wave
67.Psychadelic
68.Rave
69.Showtunes
70.Trailer
71.Lo-Fi
72.Tribal
73.Acid Punk
74.Acid Jazz
75.Polka
76.Retro
77.Musical
78.Rock & Roll
79.Hard Rock
The following genres are Winamp extensions
80.Folk
81.Folk-Rock
82.National Folk
83.Swing
84.Fast Fusion
85.Bebob
86.Latin
87.Revival
88.Celtic
89.Bluegrass
90.Avantgarde
91.Gothic Rock
92.Progressive Rock
93.Psychedelic Rock
94.Symphonic Rock
95.Slow Rock
96.Big Band
97.Chorus
98.Easy Listening
99.Acoustic
100.Humour
101.Speech
102.Chanson
103.Opera
104.Chamber Music
105.Sonata
106.Symphony
107.Booty Bass
108.Primus
109.Porn Groove
110.Satire
111.Slow Jam
112.Club
113.Tango
114.Samba
115.Folklore
116.Ballad
117.Power Ballad
118.Rhythmic Soul
119.Freestyle
120.Duet
121.Punk Rock
122.Drum Solo
123.A capella
124.Euro-House
125.Dance Hall
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Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is a list of genres as presented in the ID3v2 spec
> (http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
great. now there is still file type and some others left.
maybe the best would be to store these as system preferences? that way
there would be no mismach between the client and the server regarding
the range of possible values..
Akos
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Yes, this is really one long list of genres. Is this standard or
"standard"?
I have to say that I can't see it's practical use in the future,
especially because the list consists much more than just basic music
genres. I see here basic categories, their subcategories and some
new modern and "stylish" categories, here on the same list.
Sava gave me the example that Glen Miller is "Dance Hall" . Then what
is Evergreen, Oldies, Easy Listenning, Retro on the same list?
And where can I import "Blur"? I don't see any Brit pop category here.
I must remind you that only here in Serbia we have several
subcategories of folk music like. Turbo folk, folk dance, folk pop,
folk techno...And I'm afraid that's not all...
In B92 we have RCS software ( music selector ) that has no fixed music
genres. We alone imported music genres that are necessary and needed
for our music station.
This is not such a bad idea and it is much more functional .
Robert
Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
type="cite">
Hi,
Here is a list of genres as
presented in the ID3v2 spec (http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
The following genres is defined in
ID3v1
0.Blues
1.Classic Rock
2.Country
3.Dance
4.Disco
5.Funk
6.Grunge
7.Hip-Hop
8.Jazz
9.Metal
10.New Age
11.Oldies
12.Other
13.Pop
14.R&B
15.Rap
16.Reggae
17.Rock
18.Techno
19.Industrial
20.Alternative
21.Ska
22.Death Metal
23.Pranks
24.Soundtrack
25.Euro-Techno
26.Ambient
27.Trip-Hop
28.Vocal
29.Jazz+Funk
30.Fusion
31.Trance
32.Classical
33.Instrumental
34.Acid
35.House
36.Game
37.Sound Clip
38.Gospel
39.Noise
40.AlternRock
41.Bass
42.Soul
43.Punk
44.Space
45.Meditative
46.Instrumental Pop
47.Instrumental Rock
48.Ethnic
49.Gothic
50.Darkwave
51.Techno-Industrial
52.Electronic
53.Pop-Folk
54.Eurodance
55.Dream
56.Southern Rock
57.Comedy
58.Cult
59.Gangsta
60.Top 40
61.Christian Rap
62.Pop/Funk
63.Jungle
64.Native American
65.Cabaret
66.New Wave
67.Psychadelic
68.Rave
69.Showtunes
70.Trailer
71.Lo-Fi
72.Tribal
73.Acid Punk
74.Acid Jazz
75.Polka
76.Retro
77.Musical
78.Rock & Roll
79.Hard Rock
The following genres are Winamp extensions
80.Folk
81.Folk-Rock
82.National Folk
83.Swing
84.Fast Fusion
85.Bebob
86.Latin
87.Revival
88.Celtic
89.Bluegrass
90.Avantgarde
91.Gothic Rock
92.Progressive Rock
93.Psychedelic Rock
94.Symphonic Rock
95.Slow Rock
96.Big Band
97.Chorus
98.Easy Listening
99.Acoustic
100.Humour
101.Speech
102.Chanson
103.Opera
104.Chamber Music
105.Sonata
106.Symphony
107.Booty Bass
108.Primus
109.Porn Groove
110.Satire
111.Slow Jam
112.Club
113.Tango
114.Samba
115.Folklore
116.Ballad
117.Power Ballad
118.Rhythmic Soul
119.Freestyle
120.Duet
121.Punk Rock
122.Drum Solo
123.A capella
124.Euro-House
125.Dance Hall
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Hi Robert,
I think this list is a start, but if I understand it correctly, system
admins will be able to go into the Station Prefs on the HTML UI to make
changes that are relevant to their station.
Sebastian and Akos, is this your understanding too?
doug
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Media Development Loan Fund
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Douglas Arellanes
Head of Research and Development
Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)
Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6
Czech Republic
Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419
Mobile: +420 724 073 364
http://www.mdlf-camp.net
http://www.campware.org
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http://www.mdlf.org
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Robert Klajn
03/08/2005 01:42 PM
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Yes, this is really one long list of genres. Is this standard or
"standard"?
I have to say that I can't see it's practical use in the future,
especially because the list consists much more than just basic music
genres. I see here basic categories, their subcategories and some new
modern and "stylish" categories, here on the same list.
Sava gave me the example that Glen Miller is "Dance Hall" . Then what is
Evergreen, Oldies, Easy Listenning, Retro on the same list?
And where can I import "Blur"? I don't see any Brit pop category here.
I must remind you that only here in Serbia we have several subcategories
of folk music like. Turbo folk, folk dance, folk pop, folk techno...And
I'm afraid that's not all...
In B92 we have RCS software ( music selector ) that has no fixed music
genres. We alone imported music genres that are necessary and needed for
our music station.
This is not such a bad idea and it is much more functional .
Robert
Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
Hi,
Here is a list of genres as presented in the ID3v2 spec (http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
The following genres is defined in ID3v1
0.Blues
1.Classic Rock
2.Country
3.Dance
4.Disco
5.Funk
6.Grunge
7.Hip-Hop
8.Jazz
9.Metal
10.New Age
11.Oldies
12.Other
13.Pop
14.R&B
15.Rap
16.Reggae
17.Rock
18.Techno
19.Industrial
20.Alternative
21.Ska
22.Death Metal
23.Pranks
24.Soundtrack
25.Euro-Techno
26.Ambient
27.Trip-Hop
28.Vocal
29.Jazz+Funk
30.Fusion
31.Trance
32.Classical
33.Instrumental
34.Acid
35.House
36.Game
37.Sound Clip
38.Gospel
39.Noise
40.AlternRock
41.Bass
42.Soul
43.Punk
44.Space
45.Meditative
46.Instrumental Pop
47.Instrumental Rock
48.Ethnic
49.Gothic
50.Darkwave
51.Techno-Industrial
52.Electronic
53.Pop-Folk
54.Eurodance
55.Dream
56.Southern Rock
57.Comedy
58.Cult
59.Gangsta
60.Top 40
61.Christian Rap
62.Pop/Funk
63.Jungle
64.Native American
65.Cabaret
66.New Wave
67.Psychadelic
68.Rave
69.Showtunes
70.Trailer
71.Lo-Fi
72.Tribal
73.Acid Punk
74.Acid Jazz
75.Polka
76.Retro
77.Musical
78.Rock & Roll
79.Hard Rock
The following genres are Winamp extensions
80.Folk
81.Folk-Rock
82.National Folk
83.Swing
84.Fast Fusion
85.Bebob
86.Latin
87.Revival
88.Celtic
89.Bluegrass
90.Avantgarde
91.Gothic Rock
92.Progressive Rock
93.Psychedelic Rock
94.Symphonic Rock
95.Slow Rock
96.Big Band
97.Chorus
98.Easy Listening
99.Acoustic
100.Humour
101.Speech
102.Chanson
103.Opera
104.Chamber Music
105.Sonata
106.Symphony
107.Booty Bass
108.Primus
109.Porn Groove
110.Satire
111.Slow Jam
112.Club
113.Tango
114.Samba
115.Folklore
116.Ballad
117.Power Ballad
118.Rhythmic Soul
119.Freestyle
120.Duet
121.Punk Rock
122.Drum Solo
123.A capella
124.Euro-House
125.Dance Hall
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Hi Robert,
I think this list is a start, but if I understand it correctly, system admins will be able to go into the Station Prefs on the HTML UI to make changes that are relevant to their station.
Sebastian and Akos, is this your understanding too?
doug
=============================================
Media Development Loan Fund
=============================================
Douglas Arellanes
Head of Research and Development
Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)
Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6
Czech Republic
Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419
Mobile: +420 724 073 364
http://www.mdlf-camp.net
http://www.campware.org
=============================================
http://www.mdlf.org
=============================================
Robert Klajn <klajn@b92.net>
03/08/2005 01:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [livesupport-dev] Genres from ID3 spec
Yes, this is really one long list of genres. Is this standard or "standard"?
I have to say that I can't see it's practical use in the future, especially because the list consists much more than just basic music genres. I see here basic categories, their subcategories and some new modern and "stylish" categories, here on the same list.
Sava gave me the example that Glen Miller is "Dance Hall" . Then what is Evergreen, Oldies, Easy Listenning, Retro on the same list?
And where can I import "Blur"? I don't see any Brit pop category here.
I must remind you that only here in Serbia we have several subcategories of folk music like. Turbo folk, folk dance, folk pop, folk techno...And I'm afraid that's not all...
In B92 we have RCS software ( music selector ) that has no fixed music genres. We alone imported music genres that are necessary and needed for our music station.
This is not such a bad idea and it is much more functional .
Robert
Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
Hi,
Here is a list of genres as presented in the ID3v2 spec (http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
The following genres is defined in ID3v1
0.Blues
1.Classic Rock
2.Country
3.Dance
4.Disco
5.Funk
6.Grunge
7.Hip-Hop
8.Jazz
9.Metal
10.New Age
11.Oldies
12.Other
13.Pop
14.R&B
15.Rap
16.Reggae
17.Rock
18.Techno
19.Industrial
20.Alternative
21.Ska
22.Death Metal
23.Pranks
24.Soundtrack
25.Euro-Techno
26.Ambient
27.Trip-Hop
28.Vocal
29.Jazz+Funk
30.Fusion
31.Trance
32.Classical
33.Instrumental
34.Acid
35.House
36.Game
37.Sound Clip
38.Gospel
39.Noise
40.AlternRock
41.Bass
42.Soul
43.Punk
44.Space
45.Meditative
46.Instrumental Pop
47.Instrumental Rock
48.Ethnic
49.Gothic
50.Darkwave
51.Techno-Industrial
52.Electronic
53.Pop-Folk
54.Eurodance
55.Dream
56.Southern Rock
57.Comedy
58.Cult
59.Gangsta
60.Top 40
61.Christian Rap
62.Pop/Funk
63.Jungle
64.Native American
65.Cabaret
66.New Wave
67.Psychadelic
68.Rave
69.Showtunes
70.Trailer
71.Lo-Fi
72.Tribal
73.Acid Punk
74.Acid Jazz
75.Polka
76.Retro
77.Musical
78.Rock & Roll
79.Hard Rock
The following genres are Winamp extensions
80.Folk
81.Folk-Rock
82.National Folk
83.Swing
84.Fast Fusion
85.Bebob
86.Latin
87.Revival
88.Celtic
89.Bluegrass
90.Avantgarde
91.Gothic Rock
92.Progressive Rock
93.Psychedelic Rock
94.Symphonic Rock
95.Slow Rock
96.Big Band
97.Chorus
98.Easy Listening
99.Acoustic
100.Humour
101.Speech
102.Chanson
103.Opera
104.Chamber Music
105.Sonata
106.Symphony
107.Booty Bass
108.Primus
109.Porn Groove
110.Satire
111.Slow Jam
112.Club
113.Tango
114.Samba
115.Folklore
116.Ballad
117.Power Ballad
118.Rhythmic Soul
119.Freestyle
120.Duet
121.Punk Rock
122.Drum Solo
123.A capella
124.Euro-House
125.Dance Hall
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I would definitely hope so. And perhaps we can ask LiveSupport users later
on to contribute their own genre lists for download so that other people
could start up their own categorization based on something they like better
than the rest.
Sava
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03/08/05 01:47 PM Subject: Re: [livesupport-dev] Genres from ID3 spec
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Hi Robert,
I think this list is a start, but if I understand it correctly, system
admins will be able to go into the Station Prefs on the HTML UI to make
changes that are relevant to their station.
Sebastian and Akos, is this your understanding too?
doug
=============================================
Media Development Loan Fund
=============================================
Douglas Arellanes
Head of Research and Development
Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)
Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6
Czech Republic
Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419
Mobile: +420 724 073 364
http://www.mdlf-camp.net
http://www.campware.org
=============================================
http://www.mdlf.org
=============================================
Robert Klajn
livesupport-dev@campware.org
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03/08/2005 01:42 PM Subject: Re:
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livesupport-dev
Yes, this is really one long list of genres. Is this standard or
"standard"?
I have to say that I can't see it's practical use in the future, especially
because the list consists much more than just basic music genres. I see
here basic categories, their subcategories and some new modern and
"stylish" categories, here on the same list.
Sava gave me the example that Glen Miller is "Dance Hall" . Then what is
Evergreen, Oldies, Easy Listenning, Retro on the same list?
And where can I import "Blur"? I don't see any Brit pop category here.
I must remind you that only here in Serbia we have several subcategories of
folk music like. Turbo folk, folk dance, folk pop, folk techno...And I'm
afraid that's not all...
In B92 we have RCS software ( music selector ) that has no fixed music
genres. We alone imported music genres that are necessary and needed for
our music station.
This is not such a bad idea and it is much more functional .
Robert
Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
Hi,
Here is a list of genres as presented in the ID3v2 spec (
http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00.txt):
The following genres is defined in ID3v1
0.Blues
1.Classic Rock
2.Country
3.Dance
4.Disco
5.Funk
6.Grunge
7.Hip-Hop
8.Jazz
9.Metal
10.New Age
11.Oldies
12.Other
13.Pop
14.R&B
15.Rap
16.Reggae
17.Rock
18.Techno
19.Industrial
20.Alternative
21.Ska
22.Death Metal
23.Pranks
24.Soundtrack
25.Euro-Techno
26.Ambient
27.Trip-Hop
28.Vocal
29.Jazz+Funk
30.Fusion
31.Trance
32.Classical
33.Instrumental
34.Acid
35.House
36.Game
37.Sound Clip
38.Gospel
39.Noise
40.AlternRock
41.Bass
42.Soul
43.Punk
44.Space
45.Meditative
46.Instrumental Pop
47.Instrumental Rock
48.Ethnic
49.Gothic
50.Darkwave
51.Techno-Industrial
52.Electronic
53.Pop-Folk
54.Eurodance
55.Dream
56.Southern Rock
57.Comedy
58.Cult
59.Gangsta
60.Top 40
61.Christian Rap
62.Pop/Funk
63.Jungle
64.Native American
65.Cabaret
66.New Wave
67.Psychadelic
68.Rave
69.Showtunes
70.Trailer
71.Lo-Fi
72.Tribal
73.Acid Punk
74.Acid Jazz
75.Polka
76.Retro
77.Musical
78.Rock & Roll
79.Hard Rock
The following genres are Winamp extensions
80.Folk
81.Folk-Rock
82.National Folk
83.Swing
84.Fast Fusion
85.Bebob
86.Latin
87.Revival
88.Celtic
89.Bluegrass
90.Avantgarde
91.Gothic Rock
92.Progressive Rock
93.Psychedelic Rock
94.Symphonic Rock
95.Slow Rock
96.Big Band
97.Chorus
98.Easy Listening
99.Acoustic
100.Humour
101.Speech
102.Chanson
103.Opera
104.Chamber Music
105.Sonata
106.Symphony
107.Booty Bass
108.Primus
109.Porn Groove
110.Satire
111.Slow Jam
112.Club
113.Tango
114.Samba
115.Folklore
116.Ballad
117.Power Ballad
118.Rhythmic Soul
119.Freestyle
120.Duet
121.Punk Rock
122.Drum Solo
123.A capella
124.Euro-House
125.Dance Hall
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> I would definitely hope so. And perhaps we can ask LiveSupport users later
> on to contribute their own genre lists for download so that other people
> could start up their own categorization based on something they like better
> than the rest.
one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
doesn't support sub-categories as such.
as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
client downloads from the server...
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I think I'm detecting a nice post 1.1 feature: ontology support for key
fields.
It could be represented in the UI by a main category, then sub-categories
after that, so you'd get Rock: Classic Rock: Psychedelia: West Coast as
the content of your genre field.
With the entity and geography fields as well, you could definitely use
such an ontology as well. For geography, you could have Prague: Prague 6:
Na vinicnich horach 24a.
The trick would be to create an interface that would keep track of all
those ontological structures. But as far as I can tell, there's nothing
barring such structures inside a DC or DCterms field.
Definitely post-1.1, but something to keep in mind.
doug
Akos Maroy
03/08/2005 03:59 PM
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sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
> I would definitely hope so. And perhaps we can ask LiveSupport users
later
> on to contribute their own genre lists for download so that other people
> could start up their own categorization based on something they like
better
> than the rest.
one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
doesn't support sub-categories as such.
as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
client downloads from the server...
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I think I'm detecting a nice post 1.1 feature: ontology support for key fields.
It could be represented in the UI by a main category, then sub-categories after that, so you'd get Rock: Classic Rock: Psychedelia: West Coast as the content of your genre field.
With the entity and geography fields as well, you could definitely use such an ontology as well. For geography, you could have Prague: Prague 6: Na vinicnich horach 24a.
The trick would be to create an interface that would keep track of all those ontological structures. But as far as I can tell, there's nothing barring such structures inside a DC or DCterms field.
Definitely post-1.1, but something to keep in mind.
doug
Akos Maroy <darkeye@tyrell.hu>
03/08/2005 03:59 PM
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sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
> I would definitely hope so. And perhaps we can ask LiveSupport users later
> on to contribute their own genre lists for download so that other people
> could start up their own categorization based on something they like better
> than the rest.
one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
doesn't support sub-categories as such.
as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
client downloads from the server...
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Following up on that last post, I think this document describes how you
can have structured values inside a DC field.
http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-dcsv/
I'm not entirely sure, but from what I can tell, as long as the structured
data (in our case rock: classic rock: psychedelia: west coast) "dumbs
down" into something a broader DC tag can work with, it should be OK.
But as I say, this should be really only be considered for post-1.1,
unless someone wants to step up and implement. Any volunteers?
doug
Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org
03/08/2005 04:09 PM
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I think I'm detecting a nice post 1.1 feature: ontology support for key
fields.
It could be represented in the UI by a main category, then sub-categories
after that, so you'd get Rock: Classic Rock: Psychedelia: West Coast as
the content of your genre field.
With the entity and geography fields as well, you could definitely use
such an ontology as well. For geography, you could have Prague: Prague 6:
Na vinicnich horach 24a.
The trick would be to create an interface that would keep track of all
those ontological structures. But as far as I can tell, there's nothing
barring such structures inside a DC or DCterms field.
Definitely post-1.1, but something to keep in mind.
doug
Akos Maroy
03/08/2005 03:59 PM
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sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
> I would definitely hope so. And perhaps we can ask LiveSupport users
later
> on to contribute their own genre lists for download so that other people
> could start up their own categorization based on something they like
better
> than the rest.
one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
doesn't support sub-categories as such.
as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
client downloads from the server...
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Following up on that last post, I think this document describes how you can have structured values inside a DC field.
http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-dcsv/
I'm not entirely sure, but from what I can tell, as long as the structured data (in our case rock: classic rock: psychedelia: west coast) "dumbs down" into something a broader DC tag can work with, it should be OK.
But as I say, this should be really only be considered for post-1.1, unless someone wants to step up and implement. Any volunteers?
doug
Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org
03/08/2005 04:09 PM
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I think I'm detecting a nice post 1.1 feature: ontology support for key fields.
It could be represented in the UI by a main category, then sub-categories after that, so you'd get Rock: Classic Rock: Psychedelia: West Coast as the content of your genre field.
With the entity and geography fields as well, you could definitely use such an ontology as well. For geography, you could have Prague: Prague 6: Na vinicnich horach 24a.
The trick would be to create an interface that would keep track of all those ontological structures. But as far as I can tell, there's nothing barring such structures inside a DC or DCterms field.
Definitely post-1.1, but something to keep in mind.
doug
Akos Maroy <darkeye@tyrell.hu>
03/08/2005 03:59 PM
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sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
> I would definitely hope so. And perhaps we can ask LiveSupport users later
> on to contribute their own genre lists for download so that other people
> could start up their own categorization based on something they like better
> than the rest.
one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
doesn't support sub-categories as such.
as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
client downloads from the server...
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:59:58 +0100 Akos Maroy wrote:
> one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
> doesn't support sub-categories as such.
>
> as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
> could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
> 'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
> client downloads from the server...
I think about array of strings serialized and stored in e.g. 'genres' system
preference (similarly for other 'menu' typed categories).
It would be prefilled during install/setup of storageServer.
It should be simply deserialized on both (C++ and PHP) platforms - XML may be
good choice.
e.g.:
...
Or I would provide special method for returning array of options in XMLRPC
and PHP interfaces ...
OK?
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Tomas Hlava wrote:
> I think about array of strings serialized and stored in e.g. 'genres' system
> preference (similarly for other 'menu' typed categories).
> It would be prefilled during install/setup of storageServer.
> It should be simply deserialized on both (C++ and PHP) platforms - XML may be
> good choice.
> e.g.:
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
> Or I would provide special method for returning array of options in XMLRPC
> and PHP interfaces ...
I think a system preference is good enough. but you have quite a good
point on the localization... but, still there should be a unique key to
each value, so that no matter what locale the client uses, the actual
value is the same. (because following your example, a czech would enter
"Klassika", while an english "Classics", and then they wouldn't find
each others entires...)
Akos
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Cau Tomasi,
I don't know if you saw the feature request I just posted, but maybe that
would help explain what I have in mind.
The implementation would have two parts: an admin interface somewhat
similar to the Open Directory, where users would be able to:
1) pick a field where the ontology would be applied
2) add/edit/delete top-level categories
3) add/edit/delete subcategories
4) add/edit/delete sub-subcategories ad infinitum
This would then be reflected in the pulldown menu values for the selected
fields.
But again, before we go off implementing a new feature, let's try to get
0.9/1.0/1.1 out the door. I'm sure we've got enough to do on those.
Hope this helps,
doug
Tomas Hlava
03/08/2005 04:22 PM
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:59:58 +0100 Akos Maroy wrote:
> one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
> doesn't support sub-categories as such.
>
> as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
> could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
> 'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
> client downloads from the server...
I think about array of strings serialized and stored in e.g. 'genres'
system
preference (similarly for other 'menu' typed categories).
It would be prefilled during install/setup of storageServer.
It should be simply deserialized on both (C++ and PHP) platforms - XML may
be
good choice.
e.g.:
...
Or I would provide special method for returning array of options in XMLRPC
and PHP interfaces ...
OK?
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Cau Tomasi,
I don't know if you saw the feature request I just posted, but maybe that would help explain what I have in mind.
The implementation would have two parts: an admin interface somewhat similar to the Open Directory, where users would be able to:
1) pick a field where the ontology would be applied
2) add/edit/delete top-level categories
3) add/edit/delete subcategories
4) add/edit/delete sub-subcategories ad infinitum
This would then be reflected in the pulldown menu values for the selected fields.
But again, before we go off implementing a new feature, let's try to get 0.9/1.0/1.1 out the door. I'm sure we've got enough to do on those.
Hope this helps,
doug
Tomas Hlava <th@red2head.com>
03/08/2005 04:22 PM
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:59:58 +0100 Akos Maroy wrote:
> one remarks: Robert was talking about sub-categories. AFAIK, DC metadata
> doesn't support sub-categories as such.
>
> as for the expandibility: sure, why not. I'd recon Tomas & Sebastian
> could come up with a solution for that. and for that matter, all
> 'menu'-style metadata, I'd rather see as a system preference, that the
> client downloads from the server...
I think about array of strings serialized and stored in e.g. 'genres' system
preference (similarly for other 'menu' typed categories).
It would be prefilled during install/setup of storageServer.
It should be simply deserialized on both (C++ and PHP) platforms - XML may be
good choice.
e.g.:
<options>
<option><label>Jazz</label></option>
<option>
<label xml:lang="en">Classics</label>
<label xml:lang="cz">Klasika</label>
</option>
...
</options>
Or I would provide special method for returning array of options in XMLRPC
and PHP interfaces ...
OK?
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Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
> But again, before we go off implementing a new feature, let's try to get
> 0.9/1.0/1.1 out the door. I'm sure we've got enough to do on those.
ontology: post 1.1, sure
but we need some simple, flat solution, _now_
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:32:26 +0100 Akos Maroy wrote:
> I think a system preference is good enough. but you have quite a good
> point on the localization... but, still there should be a unique key to
> each value, so that no matter what locale the client uses, the actual
> value is the same. (because following your example, a czech would enter
> "Klassika", while an english "Classics", and then they wouldn't find
> each others entires...)
> Akos
Yes - you are right - unique key is needed.
Could we use english version as key?
Or some other (e.g. numerical: -
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The _now_ solution is the one I think we're all in agreement on, namely
that "preset" field values are taken from the ID3 spec, but in the docs we
show sysadmins how they can edit those values. That can happen in System
Prefs and then we're good, right?
The 'out-of-the-box' values are the ones that come from ID3, and we show
sysadmins how to go in and remove unnecessary values - a jazz and
classical station that removes all the irrelevant field values for metal,
pop, hiphop and electronica, for example. But what happens if a file
already has an ID3 value that isn't in the pulldown? How do we display
that?
doug
Akos Maroy
03/08/2005 04:40 PM
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Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
> But again, before we go off implementing a new feature, let's try to get
> 0.9/1.0/1.1 out the door. I'm sure we've got enough to do on those.
ontology: post 1.1, sure
but we need some simple, flat solution, _now_
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The _now_ solution is the one I think we're all in agreement on, namely that "preset" field values are taken from the ID3 spec, but in the docs we show sysadmins how they can edit those values. That can happen in System Prefs and then we're good, right?
The 'out-of-the-box' values are the ones that come from ID3, and we show sysadmins how to go in and remove unnecessary values - a jazz and classical station that removes all the irrelevant field values for metal, pop, hiphop and electronica, for example. But what happens if a file already has an ID3 value that isn't in the pulldown? How do we display that?
doug
Akos Maroy <darkeye@tyrell.hu>
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Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
> But again, before we go off implementing a new feature, let's try to get
> 0.9/1.0/1.1 out the door. I'm sure we've got enough to do on those.
ontology: post 1.1, sure
but we need some simple, flat solution, _now_
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Robert was talking about;
"in B92 we have RCS software ( music selector ) that has no fixed music
genres"
This brings us to the basic questions for metadata field's
-do create a software tool to find and plays a song
-or create a software tool that does it for us like rcs software
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 13:42, Robert Klajn wrote:
> In B92 we have RCS software ( music selector ) that has no fixed
> music genres. We alone imported music genres that are necessary and
> needed for our music station.
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:47:54 +0100 Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
> The _now_ solution is the one I think we're all in agreement on, namely
> that "preset" field values are taken from the ID3 spec, but in the docs we
> show sysadmins how they can edit those values. That can happen in System
> Prefs and then we're good, right?
A new file storageServer/var/genres.xml added.
It's automatically loaded into station preference record 'genres' by
storageServer installation script.
Look at it, please, if it's OK.
Optionally I can load values for other menu type categories in the
similar way - if value set if already known and stable.
> The 'out-of-the-box' values are the ones that come from ID3, and we show
> sysadmins how to go in and remove unnecessary values - a jazz and
> classical station that removes all the irrelevant field values for metal,
> pop, hiphop and electronica, for example. But what happens if a file
> already has an ID3 value that isn't in the pulldown? How do we display
> that?
Automatic adding to stored set would be dangerous - the menu would grow.
I can add something as 'other' or 'unknown' to genre set and system would
display this instead of value from binary file. ?
Tomas Hlava
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> A new file storageServer/var/genres.xml added.
> It's automatically loaded into station preference record 'genres' by
> storageServer installation script.
>
> Look at it, please, if it's OK.
looks ok. one question regarding the DTD:
here, label is singular (not label+). I wonder if you have mupltiple
labels in different languages, is your XML parser going to let it through?
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:57:27 +0100 Akos Maroy wrote:
> Tomas Hlava wrote:
> > A new file storageServer/var/genres.xml added.
> > It's automatically loaded into station preference record 'genres' by
> > storageServer installation script.
> >
> > Look at it, please, if it's OK.
>
> looks ok. one question regarding the DTD:
>
>
>
> here, label is singular (not label+). I wonder if you have mupltiple
> labels in different languages, is your XML parser going to let it through?
>
> Akos
Thanks - my default have no multiple labels, there have to be label+ for
multilingual future.
Commited to CVS ...
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