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Re: [campsite-dev] Subheads
  • At 16:44 05.10.2004, Paul Baranowski wrote:
    >Red and italicized is easy...I'll do that then.

    no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour and clicking
    italics. they should be more like under and overlined with dotted lines or
    something that's clearly not a format from the editor.

    here are some other thoughts, as we are working on this now:

    if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am on
    page 3 of 5 from the paginated article:

    print article name

    ?




    >sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    >>We shouldn't show tags. It has to be graphically resolved. Campfire
    >>currently makes them red and italicized.... You may want to do the same for
    >>starters, if possible... Any graphical solution is preferable to tags. We
    >>don't want to scare off people.
    >>Sava
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Paul
    >> Baranowski
    >>
    >> >> campsite-dev@campware.org
    >> ski.org> cc:
    >>
    >> Subject: [campsite-dev]
    >> Subheads
    >> 10/05/04 04:05
    >> PM
    >>
    >> Please respond
    >> to
    >>
    >> campsite-dev
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>I'm working on subheads for HTMLArea. What I know of subheads is this:
    >> they let you break your article into multiple pages.
    >>The way it works is: you highlight a word, then click the "subhead"
    >>button. The question is: do we give some sort of indication that a
    >>section of text is a subhead? Initially, Mugur and I decided that we
    >>shouldnt, but after thinking about it, it seems like we should.
    >>If we dont give an indication of the subhead, then the person editing
    >>the article may highlight a word and make it a subhead multiple times.
    >>(I'm not sure what the parser would do in this case).
    >>I suggest that we put template-like tags around the subhead, like this:
    >>{{PageTitle}}Page 2: A New Beginning{{/PageTitle}}
    >>Even though this opens up the possiblity to people mucking with the
    >>tags, I think it is a better solution than keeping them hidden. Another
    >>solution would be to put some sort of icon next to the word, and have a
    >>dotted underline underneath the selected words. I'm not sure my
    >>HTMLArea skills are up to this level yet, however.
    >>Comments?
    >>- Paul
    >>
    >>


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  • What about something using CSS, like this?:



    style="border-style: dotted; border-width: 2px; padding: 2px; color: red;">My
    Summer Vacation





    Micz Flor wrote:
    type="cite">At 16:44 05.10.2004, Paul Baranowski wrote:


    Red and italicized is easy...I'll do that
    then.





    no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour and
    clicking italics. they should be more like under and overlined with
    dotted lines or something that's clearly not a format from the editor.




    here are some other thoughts, as we are working on this now:




    if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am on
    page 3 of 5 from the paginated article:




    print article name




    ?










    sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:


    We shouldn't show tags. It has to be
    graphically resolved. Campfire


    currently makes them red and italicized.... You may want to do the same
    for


    starters, if possible... Any graphical solution is preferable to tags.
    We


    don't want to scare off people.


    Sava








                          Paul Baranowski

                          <paul@paulbaranow        To:
    campsite-dev@campware.org


                          ski.org>                 cc:

                                                   Subject:  [campsite-dev]
    Subheads


                          10/05/04 04:05 PM

                          Please respond to

                          campsite-dev













    I'm working on subheads for HTMLArea.  What I know of subheads is this:


      they let you break your article into multiple pages.


    The way it works is: you highlight a word, then click the "subhead"


    button.  The question is: do we give some sort of indication that a


    section of text is a subhead?  Initially, Mugur and I decided that we


    shouldnt, but after thinking about it, it seems like we should.


    If we dont give an indication of the subhead, then the person editing


    the article may highlight a word and make it a subhead multiple times.


    (I'm not sure what the parser would do in this case).


    I suggest that we put template-like tags around the subhead, like this:


    {{PageTitle}}Page 2: A New Beginning{{/PageTitle}}


    Even though this opens up the possiblity to people mucking with the


    tags, I think it is a better solution than keeping them hidden. 
    Another


    solution would be to put some sort of icon next to the word, and have a


    dotted underline underneath the selected words.  I'm not sure my


    HTMLArea skills are up to this level yet, however.


    Comments?


    - Paul












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  • i like that very much. let's not make it red though, because that looks like an error warning. let's use a colour that will be part of the campsite CI at a later state. but that should be easily changed.

    i suggest we use the id tag, not the class in this case, because for all i know htmlarea does use class only, does it?

    campsite-dev@campware.org schrieb am 05.10.04 17:46:39:

    What about something using CSS, like this?:



    My Summer Vacation


    Micz Flor wrote:

    At 16:44 05.10.2004, Paul Baranowski wrote:
    Red and itali!
    cized is easy...I'll do that then.

    no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour and clicking italics. they should be more like under and overlined with dotted lines or something that's clearly not a format from the editor.

    here are some other thoughts, as we are working on this now:

    if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am on page 3 of 5 from the paginated article:

    print article name

    ?




    sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    We shouldn't show tags. It has to be graphically resolved. Campfire
    currently makes them red and italicized.... You may want to do the same for
    starters, if possible... Any graphical solution is preferable to tags. We
    don't want to scare off people.
    Sava



               &n!
    bsp;          Paul Barano
    wski
                          <paul@paulbaranow        To: campsite-dev@campware.org
                          ski.org>                 cc:
                                                   Subject:  [campsite-dev] Subheads
                       &!
    nbsp;  10/05/04 04:05 PM
                          Please respond to
                          campsite-dev






    I'm working on subheads for HTMLArea.  What I know of subheads is this:
      they let you break your article into multiple pages.
    The way it works is: you highlight a word, then click the "subhead"
    button.  The question is: do we give some sort of indication that a
    section of text is a subhead?  Initially, Mugur and I decided that we
    shouldnt, but after thinking about it, it seems like we should.
    If we dont give an indication of the subhead, then the person editing
    the article may highlight a word and make it a subhead multiple times.
    (I'm not sure what the parser would do in this !
    case).
    I suggest that we put template-like tags around the subhead
    , like this:
    {{PageTitle}}Page 2: A New Beginning{{/PageTitle}}
    Even though this opens up the possiblity to people mucking with the
    tags, I think it is a better solution than keeping them hidden.  Another
    solution would be to put some sort of icon next to the word, and have a
    dotted underline underneath the selected words.  I'm not sure my
    HTMLArea skills are up to this level yet, however.
    Comments?
    - Paul




    Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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  • a symbol, like a page break would be perfect, so if you can do it at some
    later stage... also, will you be able to format subheads within html area
    or will that be handled via templates?



    "Micz Flor"
    > cc:
    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Subheads
    10/05/04 05:51 PM
    Please respond to
    campsite-dev






    i like that very much. let's not make it red though, because that looks
    like an error warning. let's use a colour that will be part of the campsite
    CI at a later state. but that should be easily changed.
    i suggest we use the id tag, not the class in this case, because for all i
    know htmlarea does use class only, does it?
    campsite-dev@campware.org schrieb am 05.10.04 17:46:39:



    What about something using CSS, like this?:


    My Summer Vacation


    Micz Flor wrote:


    At 16:44 05.10.2004, Paul Baranowski wrote:
    Red and itali! cized is easy...I'll do that then.

    no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour and clicking italics. they should be more like
    under and overlined with dotted lines or something that's clearly not a format from the editor.

    here are some other thoughts, as we are working on this now:

    if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am on page 3 of 5 from the paginated
    article:

    print article name

    ?




    sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    We shouldn't show tags. It has to be graphically resolved. Campfire
    currently makes them red and italicized.... You may want to do the same for
    starters, if possible... Any graphical solution is preferable to tags. We
    don't want to scare off people.
    Sava



    &n! bsp; Paul Barano wski
    ski.org> cc:
    Subject: [campsite-dev] Subheads
    &! nbsp; 10/05/04 04:05 PM
    Please respond to
    campsite-dev






    I'm working on subheads for HTMLArea. What I know of subheads is this:
    they let you break your article into multiple pages.
    The way it works is: you highlight a word, then click the "subhead"
    button. The question is: do we give some sort of indication that a
    section of text is a subhead? Initially, Mugur and I decided that we
    shouldnt, but after thinking about it, it seems like we should.
    If we dont give an indication of the subhead, then the person editing
    the article may highlight a word and make it a subhead multiple times.
    (I'm not sure what the parser would do in this ! case).
    I suggest that we put template-like tags around the subhead , like this:
    {{PageTitle}}Page 2: A New Beginning{{/PageTitle}}
    Even though this opens up the possiblity to people mucking with the
    tags, I think it is a better solution than keeping them hidden. Another
    solution would be to put some sort of icon next to the word, and have a
    dotted underline underneath the selected words. I'm not sure my
    HTMLArea skills are up to this level yet, however.
    Comments?
    - Paul




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  • > no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour and clicking
    > italics. they should be more like under and overlined with dotted lines or
    > something that's clearly not a format from the editor.
    Eventually they will be able to underline and overline too so they will be able
    format other text like subtitles. Maybe we should display an icon near the
    subtitle or, (hang on Smile circle the subtitle Smile

    > if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am on
    > page 3 of 5 from the paginated article:
    >
    > print article name
    This will print the article name which is different than the subtitle name.
    "Print subtitle name" will display what you want.

    Mugur




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  • It has to be handled by the article editor: when displaying the subhead the
    parser outputs it as is, so if the subtitle was not formatted in the editor it
    will look unformatted on the news site too.

    Mugur

    --- sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:

    >
    > a symbol, like a page break would be perfect, so if you can do it at some
    > later stage... also, will you be able to format subheads within html area
    > or will that be handled via templates?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Micz Flor"
    >
    > > campsite-dev@campware.org
    > > cc:
    >
    > Subject: Re: [campsite-dev]
    > Subheads
    > 10/05/04 05:51 PM
    >
    > Please respond to
    >
    > campsite-dev
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > i like that very much. let's not make it red though, because that looks
    > like an error warning. let's use a colour that will be part of the campsite
    > CI at a later state. but that should be easily changed.
    > i suggest we use the id tag, not the class in this case, because for all i
    > know htmlarea does use class only, does it?
    > campsite-dev@campware.org schrieb am 05.10.04 17:46:39:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > What about something using CSS, like this?:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > My Summer Vacation
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Micz Flor wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > At 16:44 05.10.2004, Paul Baranowski wrote:
    >
    > Red and itali! cized is easy...I'll do that then.
    >
    >
    >
    > no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour and
    > clicking italics. they should be more like
    > under and overlined with dotted lines or something that's clearly not
    > a format from the editor.
    >
    >
    > here are some other thoughts, as we are working on this now:
    >
    >
    >
    > if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am
    > on page 3 of 5 from the paginated
    > article:
    >
    >
    >
    > print article name
    >
    >
    >
    > ?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    >
    > We shouldn't show tags. It has to be graphically resolved.
    > Campfire
    > currently makes them red and italicized.... You may want
    > to do the same for
    > starters, if possible... Any graphical solution is
    > preferable to tags. We
    > don't want to scare off people.
    >
    > Sava
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > &n! bsp; Paul Barano wski
    >
    > > campsite-dev@campware.org
    > ski.org> cc:
    >
    > Subject:
    > [campsite-dev] Subheads
    > &! nbsp; 10/05/04 04:05 PM
    >
    > Please respond to
    >
    > campsite-dev
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I'm working on subheads for HTMLArea. What I know of
    > subheads is this:
    > they let you break your article into multiple pages.
    >
    > The way it works is: you highlight a word, then click the
    > "subhead"
    > button. The question is: do we give some sort of
    > indication that a
    > section of text is a subhead? Initially, Mugur and I
    > decided that we
    > shouldnt, but after thinking about it, it seems like we
    > should.
    > If we dont give an indication of the subhead, then the
    > person editing
    > the article may highlight a word and make it a subhead
    > multiple times.
    > (I'm not sure what the parser would do in this ! case).
    >
    > I suggest that we put template-like tags around the
    > subhead , like this:
    > {{PageTitle}}Page 2: A New Beginning{{/PageTitle}}
    >
    > Even though this opens up the possiblity to people mucking
    > with the
    > tags, I think it is a better solution than keeping them
    > hidden. Another
    > solution would be to put some sort of icon next to the
    > word, and have a
    > dotted underline underneath the selected words. I'm not
    > sure my
    > HTMLArea skills are up to this level yet, however.
    >
    > Comments?
    >
    > - Paul
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz
    >
    >
    >
    > content and media development http://mi.cz
    >
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > http://www.campware.org! -- http://crash.mi.cz -- http://sue.mi.cz
    >
    > "du willst das doch aber nicht so lassen, oder?" (Emke Hillrichs)
    >
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    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • Hehe, I had the same idea before I read your email, only mine was rounded Smile
    Which one of us should patent it first ? Wink

    Mugur

    What about something using CSS, like this?:

    MySummer Vacation


    Micz Flor wrote:At 16:44 05.10.2004, Paul Baranowski wrote:
    Red and italicized is easy...I'll do thatthen.

    no, nothing that the editor can do as well by chaning colour andclicking
    italics. they should be more like under and overlined withdotted lines or
    something that's clearly not a format from the editor.

    here are some other thoughts, as we are working on this now:

    if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am onpage 3
    of 5 from the paginated article:

    print article name

    ?




    sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    We shouldn't show tags. It has to begraphically resolved. Campfire
    currently makes them red and italicized.... You may want to do the samefor

    starters, if possible... Any graphical solution is preferable to tags.We
    don't want to scare off people.
    Sava



    Paul Baranowski

    ski.org> cc:
    Subject: [campsite-dev]Subheads

    10/05/04 04:05 PM
    Please respond to
    campsite-dev






    I'm working on subheads for HTMLArea. What I know of subheads is this:
    they let you break your article into multiple pages.
    The way it works is: you highlight a word, then click the "subhead"
    button. The question is: do we give some sort of indication that a
    section of text is a subhead? Initially, Mugur and I decided that we
    shouldnt, but after thinking about it, it seems like we should.
    If we dont give an indication of the subhead, then the person editing
    the article may highlight a word and make it a subhead multiple times.
    (I'm not sure what the parser would do in this case).
    I suggest that we put template-like tags around the subhead, like this:
    {{PageTitle}}Page 2: A New Beginning{{/PageTitle}}
    Even though this opens up the possiblity to people mucking with the
    tags, I think it is a better solution than keeping them hidden. Another
    solution would be to put some sort of icon next to the word, and have a
    dotted underline underneath the selected words. I'm not sure my
    HTMLArea skills are up to this level yet, however.
    Comments?
    - Paul




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  • At 20:33 05.10.2004, you wrote:
    > > if i use pagination with subheads, what does this command do if i am on
    > > page 3 of 5 from the paginated article:
    > >
    > > print article name
    >This will print the article name which is different than the subtitle name.
    >"Print subtitle name" will display what you want.

    will there be the option to say something like this:

    if article paginated
    print article subhead
    else
    print article name
    endif

    ?

    Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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  • post a request to the feature list and we'll see Smile

    > will there be the option to say something like this:
    >
    > if article paginated
    > print article subhead
    > else
    > print article name
    > endif
    >
    > ?
    >
    > Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz
    >
    > content and media development http://mi.cz
    > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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    Speaking of the feature list, I did a bit of cleaning up around there a
    couple of days ago. Mugur, you probably got all the mails from Mantis, but
    it'd be good if someone could go in and confirm that everything -
    especially version numbering - is OK. I seem to recall an older version of
    Mantis losing version numbers.

    doug






    Mugur Rus
    10/06/2004 01:31 PM
    Please respond to campsite-dev


    To: campsite-dev@campware.org
    cc:
    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Subheads


    post a request to the feature list and we'll see Smile

    > will there be the option to say something like this:
    >
    > if article paginated
    > print article subhead
    > else
    > print article name
    > endif
    >
    > ?
    >
    > Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz
    >
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    Speaking of the feature list, I did a bit of cleaning up around there a couple of days ago. Mugur, you probably got all the mails from Mantis, but it'd be good if someone could go in and confirm that everything - especially version numbering - is OK. I seem to recall an older version of Mantis losing version numbers.



    doug













    Mugur Rus <mugur1973@yahoo.com>

    10/06/2004 01:31 PM

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    post a request to the feature list and we'll see Smile



    > will there be the option to say something like this:

    >

    > if article paginated

    >          print article subhead

    > else

    >          print article name

    > endif

    >

    > ?

    >

    > Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

    >

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