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The quick list of differences would be:

1. Absolutely granular user rights and correspondingly granular user
interface = everyone is a happy camper, from the admin god to the most
technophobic journalist out there
2. Absolutely no techie mumbojumbo in terminology
3. Support for issue/section structure
4. Advanced multilingual support (we will enhance this in ways previously
unseen in the CMS world, trust me Wink

5. Absolute control of localization/naming of strings = control of the
end-user interface

Best,

Sava

Nenad Pandzic
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Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
07/16/04 04:14 development platform
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to campsite-dev

> A. most CMS's are not built for the type of application we are
> creating - the one to drive a news publication, and

It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's
and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the
difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the
difference in some functionality ('issues').

Nenad

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Also:

- article types

- templating the frontend

- easy-to-use template syntax, designed for news

sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
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The quick list of differences would be:



1. Absolutely granular user rights and correspondingly granular user

interface = everyone is a happy camper, from the admin god to the most

technophobic journalist out there

2. Absolutely no techie mumbojumbo in terminology

3. Support for issue/section structure

4. Advanced multilingual support (we will enhance this in ways previously

unseen in the CMS world, trust me 

5. Absolute control of localization/naming of strings = control of the

end-user interface



Best,



Sava





                                                                                                                                   

                      Nenad Pandzic                                                                                                

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A. most CMS's are not built for the type of application we are

creating - the one to drive a news publication, and



It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's

and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the

difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the

difference in some functionality ('issues').



Nenad

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Head of Research and Development
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Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6
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Paul Baranowski
07/16/2004 04:31 PM
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Douglas Arellanes

Head of Research and Development

Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)

Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6

Czech Republic

Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419

Mobile: +420 724 073 364

http://www.mdlf-camp.net

http://www.campware.org

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07/16/2004 04:31 PM

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erything should be fine.

Nenad Pandzic wrote:

A. most CMS's are not built for the=
type of application we are

creating - the one to drive a news publication, and

It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's

and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the

difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the

difference in some functionality ('issues').

Nenad

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Doug - you're completely correct. We could use a CMS if it is
extensible and we dont have to change core code. Or, if we do have to
change core code, then its still OK as long as the CMS developers are
OK with it.

- Paul

Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
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type="cite">

Unless someone else is really
itching to evaluate Drupal, I can give it a try, and at least try to
argue that because it's got so much development activity these days, it
may qualify as a CMF.

Which raises an obvious question,
but one that might be helpful if we get out in the open:

What, exactly, is the difference
between a CMF (Content Management Framework) and a CMS (Content
Management System)? To my untrained monkey brain, a CMS that has an
extensible architecture and a lot of add-ons could be considered a CMF,
but maybe you guys have a different opinion?

doug

=============================================

Media Development Loan Fund

=============================================

Douglas Arellanes

Head of Research and Development

Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)

Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6

Czech Republic

Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419

Mobile: +420 724 073 364

http://www.mdlf-camp.net

http://www.campware.org

=============================================

http://www.mdlf.org

=============================================

Paul Baranowski
<paul@paulbaranowski.org>

07/16/2004 04:31 PM

Please respond to campsite-dev

To:
campsite-dev@campware.org

cc:

Subject: Re:
[campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
development platform

The main problem we need to
deal with is branching from the intended goals of the current
developers of any given CMS. If the developers of the CMS agree to
work with us, then everything should be fine.

Nenad Pandzic wrote:

A. most CMS's are not built for the
type of application we are

creating - the one to drive a news publication, and

It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's

and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the

difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the

difference in some functionality ('issues').

Nenad

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Agreed, that will be your presentation Wink

Sava

Nenad Pandzic
z> cc:
Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
07/16/04 05:03 development platform
PM
Please respond
to campsite-dev

> Thus we would like see presentations / arguments on:
>
> 1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
> (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
> choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.
>
> 2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
> using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
> Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink

.
>
> 3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
> (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
> risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
> development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
> argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink

I would add number 4 here.

4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.

Nenad

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Actually, 'why' is obvious. The question is how?

Nenad

On Friday 16 of July 2004 17:05, sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
> Agreed, that will be your presentation Wink

>
> Sava
>
>
>
> Nenad Pandzic
> > campsite-dev@campware.org z> cc:
> Subject: Re:
> [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
> 07/16/04 05:03 development platform PM
> Please respond
> to campsite-dev
>
> > Thus we would like see presentations / arguments on:
> >
> > 1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
> > (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
> > choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.
> >
> > 2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
> > using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
> > Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink

.
> >
> > 3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
> > (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
> > risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
> > development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
> > argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink

>
> I would add number 4 here.
>
> 4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
> the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.
>
> Nenad

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Why not to add multiple independent newspapers in one campsite instance?

While rewriting campsite I would welcome parser to became Apache module
taking care for any campsite database you configure.

I would also welcome change in cron jobs like gather. I do not like
receiving 4 gather notification per instance per day, as most of my
emails are about to be these. IMHO it would worth to make rc file where
admin can enable the list of events he wish to be notified about.

Ondra

On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 14:27, sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
> The quick list of differences would be:
>
> 1. Absolutely granular user rights and correspondingly granular user
> interface = everyone is a happy camper, from the admin god to the most
> technophobic journalist out there
> 2. Absolutely no techie mumbojumbo in terminology
> 3. Support for issue/section structure
> 4. Advanced multilingual support (we will enhance this in ways previously
> unseen in the CMS world, trust me Wink

> 5. Absolute control of localization/naming of strings = control of the
> end-user interface
>
> Best,
>
> Sava
>
>
>
> Nenad Pandzic
> > z> cc:
> Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
> 07/16/04 04:14 development platform
> PM
> Please respond
> to campsite-dev
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > A. most CMS's are not built for the type of application we are
> > creating - the one to drive a news publication, and
>
> It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's
> and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the
> difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the
> difference in some functionality ('issues').
>
> Nenad
>
>
>
>
>

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So if I remember correctly, we have so far the following presentations
signed up for:

1. Krysalis Foundation - Mugur
2. The case for Campware CMF - Micz
3. Drupal - Doug

And we still need volunteers for:
4. Midgard
5. Xaraya

Any other needs/volunteers I may have missed?

Sava

Mugur Rus
com> cc:
Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
07/23/04 04:23 AM development platform
Please respond to
campsite-dev

> > 1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
> > (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
> > choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.
Here is a list of CMFs:

http://www.oscom.org/matrix/index.html

CMFs written in PHP are:

- Krysalis Foundation - LGPL (
http://www.interaktonline.com/products/Krysalis/)
- Midgard - LGPL (http://www.midgard-project.org/)
- Xaraya - GPL (http://www.xaraya.com/)

I would like to study Krysalis Foundation; anybody volunteering for Midgard
and
Xaraya?

Mugur

> > 2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
> > using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
> > Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink

.
> >
> > 3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
> > (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
> > risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
> > development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
> > argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink

>
> I would add number 4 here.
>
> 4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
> the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.
>
> Nenad
>
>

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I've already researched a lot of Mambo. You can put me on the list for
that one. You can also put me down for the Smarty template system and
MMCache. I will probably take another CMS as well, I'll let you know.

sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:

cite="midOFBC09D674.C36A35CE-ONC1256EDA.003C7BAB-C1256EDA.003D2721@mdlf.org"
type="cite">

So if I remember correctly, we have so far the following presentations

signed up for:



1. Krysalis Foundation - Mugur

2. The case for Campware CMF - Micz

3. Drupal - Doug



And we still need volunteers for:

4. Midgard

5. Xaraya



Any other needs/volunteers I may have missed?



Sava











                                                                                                                                      

                      Mugur Rus                                                                                                       

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                      07/23/04 04:23 AM         development platform                                                                  

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                      campsite-dev

1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard

(actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of

choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.

Here is a list of CMFs:



http://www.oscom.org/matrix/index.html



CMFs written in PHP are:



- Krysalis Foundation - LGPL (

http://www.interaktonline.com/products/Krysalis/)

- Midgard - LGPL (http://www.midgard-project.org/)

- Xaraya - GPL (http://www.xaraya.com/)



I would like to study Krysalis Foundation; anybody volunteering for Midgard

and

Xaraya?



Mugur

2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite

using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see

Micz's name next to that volunteer slot .



3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there

(Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own

risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own

development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the

argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated

I would add number 4 here.



4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with

the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.



Nenad











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At 22:59 23.07.2004, you wrote:
>put me down for the Smarty template system

i would love a workshop on that.

Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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