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Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new development platform
  • The quick list of differences would be:

    1. Absolutely granular user rights and correspondingly granular user
    interface = everyone is a happy camper, from the admin god to the most
    technophobic journalist out there
    2. Absolutely no techie mumbojumbo in terminology
    3. Support for issue/section structure
    4. Advanced multilingual support (we will enhance this in ways previously
    unseen in the CMS world, trust me Wink
    5. Absolute control of localization/naming of strings = control of the
    end-user interface

    Best,

    Sava



    Nenad Pandzic
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    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    07/16/04 04:14 development platform
    PM
    Please respond
    to campsite-dev






    > A. most CMS's are not built for the type of application we are
    > creating - the one to drive a news publication, and

    It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's
    and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the
    difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the
    difference in some functionality ('issues').

    Nenad

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  • Also:

    - article types

    - templating the frontend

    - easy-to-use template syntax, designed for news





    sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
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    type="cite">
    The quick list of differences would be:

    1. Absolutely granular user rights and correspondingly granular user
    interface = everyone is a happy camper, from the admin god to the most
    technophobic journalist out there
    2. Absolutely no techie mumbojumbo in terminology
    3. Support for issue/section structure
    4. Advanced multilingual support (we will enhance this in ways previously
    unseen in the CMS world, trust me Wink
    5. Absolute control of localization/naming of strings = control of the
    end-user interface

    Best,

    Sava



    Nenad Pandzic
    <pandzic@volny.c To: campsite-dev@campware.org
    z> cc:
    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    07/16/04 04:14 development platform
    PM
    Please respond
    to campsite-dev








    A. most CMS's are not built for the type of application we are
    creating - the one to drive a news publication, and



    It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's
    and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the
    difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the
    difference in some functionality ('issues').

    Nenad










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    Head of Research and Development
    Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)
    Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00 Prague 6
    Czech Republic
    Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419
    Mobile: +420 724 073 364
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    Paul Baranowski
    07/16/2004 04:31 PM
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    Douglas Arellanes

    Head of Research and Development

    Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)

    Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00  Prague 6

    Czech Republic

    Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419

    Mobile: +420 724 073 364

    http://www.mdlf-camp.net

    http://www.campware.org

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    Paul Baranowski <paul@paulbara=
    nowski.org>

    07/16/2004 04:31 PM

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            Subject:=
           Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research an=
    d presentations on the new  development platform






    The main problem we need to dea=
    l with is branching from the intended goals of the current developers of an=
    y given CMS.=A0 If the developers of the CMS agree to work with us, then ev=
    erything should be fine.





    Nenad Pandzic wrote:


    A. most CMS's are not built for the=
    type of application we are

    creating - the one to drive a news publication, and

       




    It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's

    and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the

    difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the

    difference in some functionality ('issues').



    Nenad



     





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  • Doug - you're completely correct.  We could use a CMS if it is
    extensible and we dont have to change core code.  Or, if we do have to
    change core code, then its still OK as long as the CMS developers are
    OK with it.

    - Paul





    Douglas.Arellanes@mdlf.org wrote:
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    type="cite">

    Unless someone else is really
    itching to evaluate Drupal, I can give it a try, and at least try to
    argue that because it's got so much development activity these days, it
    may qualify as a CMF.





    Which raises an obvious question,
    but one that might be helpful if we get out in the open:





    What, exactly, is the difference
    between a CMF (Content Management Framework) and a CMS (Content
    Management System)? To my untrained monkey brain, a CMS that has an
    extensible architecture and a lot of add-ons could be considered a CMF,
    but maybe you guys have a different opinion?





    doug




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    Media Development Loan Fund

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    Douglas Arellanes

    Head of Research and Development

    Center for Advanced Media--Prague (CAMP)

    Na vinicnich horach 24a/1834, 160 00  Prague 6

    Czech Republic

    Tel: + 420 2 3333 5356, Fax: +420 2 2431 5419

    Mobile: +420 724 073 364

    http://www.mdlf-camp.net

    http://www.campware.org

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    http://www.mdlf.org

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    Paul Baranowski
    <paul@paulbaranowski.org>

    07/16/2004 04:31 PM


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            Subject:        Re:
    [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
     development platform







    The main problem we need to
    deal with is branching from the intended goals of the current
    developers of any given CMS.  If the developers of the CMS agree to
    work with us, then everything should be fine.





    Nenad Pandzic wrote:



    A. most CMS's are not built for the
    type of application we are

    creating - the one to drive a news publication, and

       





    It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's

    and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the

    difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the

    difference in some functionality ('issues').



    Nenad



     









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  • Agreed, that will be your presentation Wink

    Sava



    Nenad Pandzic
    z> cc:
    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    07/16/04 05:03 development platform
    PM
    Please respond
    to campsite-dev






    > Thus we would like see presentations / arguments on:
    >
    > 1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
    > (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
    > choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.
    >
    > 2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
    > using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
    > Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink.
    >
    > 3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
    > (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
    > risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
    > development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
    > argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink

    I would add number 4 here.

    4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
    the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.

    Nenad

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  • Actually, 'why' is obvious. The question is how?

    Nenad


    On Friday 16 of July 2004 17:05, sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    > Agreed, that will be your presentation Wink
    >
    > Sava
    >
    >
    >
    > Nenad Pandzic
    > > campsite-dev@campware.org z> cc:
    > Subject: Re:
    > [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    > 07/16/04 05:03 development platform PM
    > Please respond
    > to campsite-dev
    >
    > > Thus we would like see presentations / arguments on:
    > >
    > > 1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
    > > (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
    > > choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.
    > >
    > > 2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
    > > using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
    > > Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink.
    > >
    > > 3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
    > > (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
    > > risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
    > > development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
    > > argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink
    >
    > I would add number 4 here.
    >
    > 4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
    > the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.
    >
    > Nenad

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  • Why not to add multiple independent newspapers in one campsite instance?

    While rewriting campsite I would welcome parser to became Apache module
    taking care for any campsite database you configure.

    I would also welcome change in cron jobs like gather. I do not like
    receiving 4 gather notification per instance per day, as most of my
    emails are about to be these. IMHO it would worth to make rc file where
    admin can enable the list of events he wish to be notified about.

    Ondra

    On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 14:27, sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:
    > The quick list of differences would be:
    >
    > 1. Absolutely granular user rights and correspondingly granular user
    > interface = everyone is a happy camper, from the admin god to the most
    > technophobic journalist out there
    > 2. Absolutely no techie mumbojumbo in terminology
    > 3. Support for issue/section structure
    > 4. Advanced multilingual support (we will enhance this in ways previously
    > unseen in the CMS world, trust me Wink
    > 5. Absolute control of localization/naming of strings = control of the
    > end-user interface
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Sava
    >
    >
    >
    > Nenad Pandzic
    > > z> cc:
    > Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    > 07/16/04 04:14 development platform
    > PM
    > Please respond
    > to campsite-dev
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > A. most CMS's are not built for the type of application we are
    > > creating - the one to drive a news publication, and
    >
    > It could be useful to declare the main differences between other CMS's
    > and the application we'd like to create. To see, where is the
    > difference only in name ('article' versus 'news') and where is the
    > difference in some functionality ('issues').
    >
    > Nenad
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >

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  • So if I remember correctly, we have so far the following presentations
    signed up for:

    1. Krysalis Foundation - Mugur
    2. The case for Campware CMF - Micz
    3. Drupal - Doug

    And we still need volunteers for:
    4. Midgard
    5. Xaraya

    Any other needs/volunteers I may have missed?

    Sava






    Mugur Rus
    com> cc:
    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    07/23/04 04:23 AM development platform
    Please respond to
    campsite-dev






    > > 1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
    > > (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
    > > choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.
    Here is a list of CMFs:

    http://www.oscom.org/matrix/index.html

    CMFs written in PHP are:

    - Krysalis Foundation - LGPL (
    http://www.interaktonline.com/products/Krysalis/)
    - Midgard - LGPL (http://www.midgard-project.org/)
    - Xaraya - GPL (http://www.xaraya.com/)

    I would like to study Krysalis Foundation; anybody volunteering for Midgard
    and
    Xaraya?

    Mugur


    > > 2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
    > > using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
    > > Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink.
    > >
    > > 3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
    > > (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
    > > risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
    > > development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
    > > argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink
    >
    > I would add number 4 here.
    >
    > 4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
    > the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.
    >
    > Nenad
    >
    >





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  • I've already researched a lot of Mambo.  You can put me on the list for
    that one.  You can also put me down for the Smarty template system and
    MMCache.  I will probably take another CMS as well, I'll let you know.







    sava.tatic@mdlf.org wrote:

    cite="midOFBC09D674.C36A35CE-ONC1256EDA.003C7BAB-C1256EDA.003D2721@mdlf.org"
    type="cite">
    So if I remember correctly, we have so far the following presentations
    signed up for:

    1. Krysalis Foundation - Mugur
    2. The case for Campware CMF - Micz
    3. Drupal - Doug

    And we still need volunteers for:
    4. Midgard
    5. Xaraya

    Any other needs/volunteers I may have missed?

    Sava






    Mugur Rus
    <mugur1973@yahoo. To: campsite-dev@campware.org
    com> cc:
    Subject: Re: [campsite-dev] Summercamp 2004: research and presentations on the new
    07/23/04 04:23 AM development platform
    Please respond to
    campsite-dev









    1. The existing PHP content management frameworks, such as Midgard
    (actually the only one we know of, so please submit your PHP CMF of
    choice to this list). We need one volunteer for each CMF.



    Here is a list of CMFs:

    http://www.oscom.org/matrix/index.html

    CMFs written in PHP are:

    - Krysalis Foundation - LGPL (
    http://www.interaktonline.com/products/Krysalis/)
    - Midgard - LGPL (http://www.midgard-project.org/)
    - Xaraya - GPL (http://www.xaraya.com/)

    I would like to study Krysalis Foundation; anybody volunteering for Midgard
    and
    Xaraya?

    Mugur





    2. Arguments why we should not use one and build the new Campsite
    using some lower-level building blocks such as Pear (I already see
    Micz's name next to that volunteer slot Wink.

    3. We need volunteers who will present other good CMSs out there
    (Mambo, Drupal, etc.). If anyone would like to argue, at his own
    risk, that we should tweak a CMS instead of continuing with our own
    development, this is the category to apply for. Expect to lose the
    argument, but good devil's advocates will be appreciated Wink


    I would add number 4 here.

    4. If we'll develop our own solution why we should be compatible with
    the plugins of some famous CMS's with hundred plugins already there.

    Nenad









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  • At 22:59 23.07.2004, you wrote:
    >put me down for the Smarty template system

    i would love a workshop on that.

    Micz Flor - micz@mi.cz

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